Why are Leave voters afraid of a second referendum? Don't they trust the results?

[MrsJackAubrey]

If you really believe in democracy and that the Leave vote was the will of the people, then surely you will be confident that a second referendum would have exactly the same outcome?

But Leavers aren't, are they - they're terrified of a second referendum because they know that the results would be Remain.

From which we can infer that there is actually a real lack of depth, of meaning, in the Leave vote, given that it would be overturned in a second referendum. Which totally supports the view that there should be a second referendum.

Op is have not read the whole thread but you say

If you really believe in democracy and that the Leave vote was the will of the people

You have answered your own question

Why should there be a second vote are you dismissing the views of the 17 million that did vote.

So you think that remain voters have the only right to democracy .

You also say But Leavers aren't, are they - they're terrified of a second referendum because they know that the results would be Remain.

How and why do you think this. Majority of leavers are happy with the vote and more to the point have already said that they would vote again to leave. There are also many non voters that have said they will vote leave

Why are you being so dismissive

bucking I'm sure the millions of people who died fighting for this country in those two wars may have a differnt opinion to you

Neither of the two world wars were fought FOR the UK.

And MPs are there to represent the will of their constituents not their own personal views.

No, not the will of the constituents - the interests of the their constituents. There is a big difference between the two. Our will is what we want. Our interests are how we are affected by something - the advantages and disadvantages:

Parliament states that its role is:

"Parliament is there to represent our interests and make sure they are taken into account by the Government. The Government cannot make new laws or raise new taxes without Parliament’s agreement."

They further define this as:

"Parliament works on our behalf to try to make sure that Government decisions are:
open and transparent – by questioning ministers and requesting information
workable and efficient – by examining new proposals closely and suggesting improvements, checking how public money is being spent and tracking how new laws are working out in practice
fair and non-discriminatory – by checking that they comply with equalities and human rights laws and by speaking up on behalf of affected individuals
Members of both Houses of Parliament can speak up for us if a government department or agency treats us unfairly.
Government ministers are required to come to Parliament regularly to answer questions, respond to issues raised in debates and keep both Houses informed of any important decisions they take. In this way, Parliament can hold the Government to account for its actions."

Not putting forward our desires, but acting on our behalf to ensure any laws passed are fair and what is in our best interests.

Why are leave voters afraid of a second referendum?

Are we?

I don't think so. I do think there are other issues though.

Numerous times the party I voted for in the general election didn't win and those who did didn't stick to their manifesto promises. Did anyone ever expect an immediate rerun of the general election?

Neither of the two world wars were fought FOR the UK.

Those who fought them feel differently.

And margrethe I couldn't agree more

I don't believe in a second referendum.

That would be the path To civil unrest AND a massive leave victory.

are you dumb? The people voted, we don't need another ref. Shall we have the best of 3? Come on now, you remainers are meant to be the smart ones!

Freudian slip there? Did you mean UK rather than EU?

Hahaha just checking people read my posts properly

There will not be another referendum - Jesus wept, the first one was an utter debacle / lesson learnt the hard way. Referenda are not the way to make complex, far-reaching decisions. We know that better than ever, now.

There will be a general election. And within the context of that, there will no doubt be those standing who make it quite clear that they have no intention of invoking Article 50, and that they wish to continue to be part of the EU.

People will note - and hand a mandate - on that basis.

*vote.

There will not be another referendum - Jesus wept, the first one was an utter debacle / lesson learnt the hard way. Referenda are not the way to make complex, far-reaching decisions. We know that better than ever, now.

So why not do it again, properly? It was so badly done the result shouldn't stand.

So why not do it again, properly? It was so badly done the result shouldn't stand.

Lol at 'properly'. What with no bullshit or propaganda on either side? I'm sure I Hyatt saw a pig fly past the window.

Just Hyatt wtf?

It's not about doing it 'properly'.

Decisions like this shouldn't be put to the voting public, who are not equipped with the knowledge to make a decision about the best outcome for the nation as a whole.

In or out. If only it were as simple as that. I don't make decisions like that in my job. But for some reason, it's OK to do that when it comes to an entire nation's economic wellbeing and future.

It should never have been voted on.

You can't do it again 'properly'

It would be ridiculous. i wouldn't vote. Remain would NOT win.

Lol at 'properly'. What with no bullshit or propaganda on either side? I'm sure I Hyatt saw a pig fly past the window

Um, yeah. If you had a referendum commission that did sensible things like send impartial fact driven information to all voters to properly consider before the vote, and had powers to prevent politicians from making up whatever lies they wanted (claims on buses about NHS money, for example would have to be fact checked and proved by the commission before use), then you could have had a proper democratic referendum.

As it was you had an epic shit flinging session driven by outrageous lies and a deluded public who didn't even know what they were voting for, for the most part.

Decisions like this shouldn't be put to the voting public, who are not equipped with the knowledge to make a decision about the best outcome for the nation as a whole

The same could be said for general elections.

I guess I mix in better circles than you do because I believe that the vast majority of those that bother to vote do so intelligently, even if I don't agree with the majority outcome most of the time.

You certainly mix in far superior circles to most of us, joy.

I would say I have chatted with about fifteen people who voted leave 'because there's too much immigration", I've spoken to three who "just didn't think it through" and in the supermarket heard a couple explain earnestly, they had "no idea it would affect the economy." Other's have said this was their experience too.
They are only anecdotes of course, but yeah, backed up by ashcrofts stats and indeed everything I've seen in the media.

The same could be said for general elections

Not the same thing. That involves voting for professionals to make the big decisions for you, which is the way it should be.

I believe that the vast majority of those that bother to vote do so intelligently, even if I don't agree with the majority outcome most of the time

You're severely overestimating the general voting public.

We'll have to agree to disagree.

I guess I mix in better circles than you do

I'm sure you mix in far better circles than I do, Joy!

And you can believe what you like based on your own circle, as I can extrapolate that back is white, based on mine.

It doesn't alter the reality, though.

Um, yeah. If you had a referendum commission that did sensible things like send impartial fact driven information to all voters to properly consider before the vote

But the flaw in your argument is economic predictions are exactly that, predictions. So 'fact' in relation to either scenario is basically non existent.

I know people who actively hate leavers now. But I don't know a single leaver who hates a remainer

Theres some bile on both sides, all the forums are full of "suck it up buttercup", "you need to respect democracy and shut up" (which is fricken ironic", lots of questioning of patriotism.

I need to recreate the "how dare young people say we (old) people stole their future", with the second picture instead of british soldiers, show the gurkhas etc and how they for many years had theirs stolen.