Boris outmaneovered. Et tu Gove & Corbyn? The Westministenders Hunger Games Continues

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Following the Machiavellian Govian shambles? Utterly gobsmacked at the Labour clusterfuck?

Who will strike next?

Who will the shadowy hand of Osborne back?
Can Gove be launched back into space and back to the planet he came from?
Can May save the country from almost certain doom?
Will Leadsom patronise us all to death (whilst silently stabbing people in the back with a sweet smile)?
Can Johnson make a decision he can stick to, and can we persuade him to give up being a politician?
Will Steven Crabb get rid of that god awful beard?

Will Corbyn shoot himself in the other foot?
Will Angela Eagle get a spine and just stand?
Who the fuck is Owen Smith?
Will the Blairites be foiled and damned?
Are momentum a bunch of thugs or a force for a better, for the people?

Will Farage disappear back under his rock?
Will people wake up to Arron Banks?
What will Dominic Cummings destroy next?

Have we seen a coup d'état?
How do we improve democracy and representation?

All these questions and more.
Sense of humour compulsory. No experience necessary though

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*Labour

I'm not Irish enough either. I had an Irish great granny, but no one in the intervening generations seems to have thought it might be prudent to stash an Irish passport in their back pocket in case of interesting times. And I don't have enough dosh for their immigrant investor programme. There are always workarounds though. I saw a travel feature on Lisbon today and quite fancy that now.

I'm glad it's not just me who detected the slight Scottish burr in Gove's accent when he was making his speech earlier confused. Most odd.
That's because he is Scottish but went to private school in Aberdeen.
He did ramp up the Scottishness today and said he had friends in the SNP

Didn't realise Gove had Scottish roots. Nice that he has some wee pals in the SNP, that will make up for the lack of conservative cronies currently walking with their backs close to the wall in his presence.

Oh well once he's up-f*cked the country enough he can move up here with Lady Macbeth if Ms Sturgeons machinations all work out for us.

I'm sure he'd get a warm welcome here .

I actually want Michael gove to win- that way the labour/ libdems would have enough people disgusted with the gremlin/goblin/gove to bother to go out and vote!

Re EU citizenship - I can't rustle up any Irish relatives although DH might be able to. Citizenship of Malta is available with annual fees ranging from €15,000, or a couple of 'one time' fees of either or €880,000 or €330,000, depending on the package chosen. Hmm, beyond my reach, I think.

I had a Scottish surname before I was married, I wonder if that will cut it with the Scots?

Red I am also planning Scottish/EU passport from father's birth there, should the opportunity arise hurry up Nicola. People were laughing at me about this a couple of weeks ago...not any more

Well I've sent off for the paperwork for my Irish passport but am not expecting a response any time soon!

I've finally watched that Johnson "heckling" thing. Abuse? Abuse?! It was worlds away. A few journalists sauntered up the road with him asking a few vague questions. All keeping their distance. All pretty goddamn polite if you ask me - no one really asked him anything particularly incisive, the little evasive shit that he is.

However ... did you think it was telling about the next leader that he said he wished "him" luck? Sorry if anyone else has asked that and I've managed to skim past it.

Why is no-one in the Gove educated South not aware that private school Aberdonians are in fact the sole repository of perfect pronunciation now Prince William and co have started integrating? Google is failing in finding me a suitable quote but that it is just how rarified a breed they are.

The English gentry may think they own the Highlands but that is because they sometimes forget they are in fact Scottish - see DC family tree for ref. They are intensely relaxed about Scottish Independence cos they are all dual national and multiple residence. We can't raise the top rate of tax in Scotland cos they would just bugger off to the London flat for a bit longer each year to avoid it.

Poor old souls in the Irish passport office will be working like demons for the next few months. I'm sure they're cursing Brexit too!

I'm quite fortunate in the passport respect. Born in NI and also have US passport. DH's DF was Latvian so he could get an EU one too.

I will enjoy telling my DPs - keen Brexiteers and unionists that I shall be applying for an Irish EU passport .

I am struggling getting the DC German nationality, Berlin are being difficult about mine - despite me having had 2 German passports in the past. DD moved to an EU country very recently so we do need to sort it but reading up it looks like time scale potentially years not months. DH's Irish Granny turned out not to be born in Ireland after all.

Any policy that unites George Galloway, Vanessa Redgrave, Jacques Chirac, the Bishop of Oxford, George Michael and Piers Morgan in condemnation has to have something going for it. And Mr Blair’s policy has more than just the right critics. It has the merit of genuine moral force.

He has one point as least I suppose. If you are on the same side as George Galloway, you got to start asking bit questions of yourself....

Anyway I think that sentence sums up something else though.

He viewed war as a policy. Just a policy. And then a 'moral force'.

Not a huge 'moral dilemma' that could have a massive impact on the lives of thousands of people. And people will die.

There is a compete emotional and human disconnect.
The man is devoid of it.

George Galloway backed Leave

Who are you backing?

I didn't clock that Gove is Scottish either.

Hmm...so if Gove is Macbeth (and Vine is Lady M)
Boris is Banquo (can imagine the spectre of Boris haunting Gove foreverrrr)
May is Macduff
and Cameron is dead old Duncan

Love it. It's definitely more Macbeth than King Lear

Talking of infighting, who saw Douglas Carswell on Questiontime last night?He was not terribly friendly to UKIP (his own party).

And NOW Nigel Farage, has launched an attack back on him. As well as saying he tried to speak to the EP saying 'lets be grown up...'

He pretty much said Carswell, shouldn't be in the party.

Its on the BBC feed. Good for a laugh.

Ah thanks derxa. I thought I'd lost control of my ears. It was a bit like when DS starts to talk 'gangsta' and I tell him to stop being an arse.

I am from bloody immigrants who came over here and took our jobs!

I will be applying for an Irish passport and one from a small Caribbean island which means I will be able to access Caricom which allows free movement of people across 16 countries in the carribean (and it's sunny!)

Just a back up but DH is not adverse at all

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/01/michael-gove-treachery-conservative-leader-theresa-may

Good for a laugh

Best bits:

Would a putative prime minister Gove give a job to his much-reviled yet longtime special adviser, the leave strategist Dominic Cummings? The answer was stark: “No.”

Is there anyone left Michael hasn’t done over? That said, Cummings has operated at the heart of Gove’s empire without an official job before. He doesn’t require a Downing Street pass to gain access: he could just slide through a haunted mirror.

And

As for the Goves, their 12-hour status as the UK Underwoods appears to be rapidly oxidising. Much was made of that leaked email from Sarah Vine, but its battleaxe nannyish tone may yet cast the pair as a sort of metropolitan elite version of Christine and Neil Hamilton.

When it went tits-up for the Hammies, of course, there was “Christmas theatre” to fall back on. Neil’s Baron Hardup was, I believe, well received in Kettering.

Carswell seemed 'Ukip' lite on QT last night. i wouldnt be surprised if he tries to go back to the tories.
My money is on May though, with the DM behind her it must be in the bag. Anyone but 'Govermort' though!

BBC NEWS ROUNDUP: And finally... the three water cannon bought by Boris Johnson for Britain's largest police force for hundreds of thousands of pounds are set to be sold off - without ever being used.

Place marking for proper catch up later!

Brilliant OP btw

Austria threw out the results of their presidential election today due to illegal handling of postal votes. The far right candidate narrowly lost that election, and it will now be rerun.

Wonder whether Brexit will have an effect on the new outcome.

There's a rather startling picture of Lady MacGove in the Independent.
She exudes all the warmth, empathy and charm of a black mamba:

www.independent.co.uk/voices/michael-gove-conservative-leader-next-prime-minister-sarah-vine-rupert-murdoch-daily-mail-personal-a7111656.html

Interesting article too, if you make it that far!