Boris outmaneovered. Et tu Gove & Corbyn? The Westministenders Hunger Games Continues

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Following the Machiavellian Govian shambles? Utterly gobsmacked at the Labour clusterfuck?

Who will strike next?

Who will the shadowy hand of Osborne back?
Can Gove be launched back into space and back to the planet he came from?
Can May save the country from almost certain doom?
Will Leadsom patronise us all to death (whilst silently stabbing people in the back with a sweet smile)?
Can Johnson make a decision he can stick to, and can we persuade him to give up being a politician?
Will Steven Crabb get rid of that god awful beard?

Will Corbyn shoot himself in the other foot?
Will Angela Eagle get a spine and just stand?
Who the fuck is Owen Smith?
Will the Blairites be foiled and damned?
Are momentum a bunch of thugs or a force for a better, for the people?

Will Farage disappear back under his rock?
Will people wake up to Arron Banks?
What will Dominic Cummings destroy next?

Have we seen a coup d'état?
How do we improve democracy and representation?

All these questions and more.
Sense of humour compulsory. No experience necessary though

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to beat them you have to join them.

Yes, I think we all need to get more involved in our democracy.

Complacency has brought us here.

I am more pissed off than ever that the Labour party won't stand candidates in NI.

DoinIt

It is time for that to change - it isn't really giving you democracy is it?

Final thought before I go back to RL.

David Davis was on the daily politics this week. His analysis of the result was very succinct - "Its the economy stupid".

Real GDP has risen since 2008. However GDP per head has not and income inequality has increased. The vast majority of the population ARE actually poorer despite growth in the economy, even before taking account of the impact of austerity on access to public services.

It was also interesting reading Gove's manifesto. I really don't understand how anyone can think he has a mandate for that sort of change without a general election? The referendum plus balancing books by 2020 were the cornerstones of 2015. Both have gone.

I agree totally. I think Theresa May could get away without a GE as her pledges are essentially the same as the 2015 manifesto. But not Gove.

In some ways I'm not sure how much a GE would be a good thing right now, it could be potentially quite destabilising.

I wonder what the LDs are up to and whether the progressive alliance is being put together.

I'm in Germany at the moment - I decided last week to emigrate. I'm a STEM PhD.
I suffered years of racial abuse as a child in 1960s England (I'm half Arab Coptic), so I won't wait to accept that shit again in 2016.
Gloating Leavers including Brexit leaders, who are minimising racist abuse and who are victim-blaming all helped me decide to ditch England for ever.
No longer my country.

My 60th birthday tomorrow; this is not how or where I planned to spend it.

I've worked in Germany on and off for years, so not a difficult decision. I have a job, a cosy little home in both countries, so basically just deciding I'll stay on here, instead of getting a UK job next or retiring.
My employer is filling out a form, so I can get a permanent residence permit soon I hope.

I was born in the UK, btw, to a British father who fought at Dunkirk. Yes, I feel v angry at the racism of a minority and the minimising by a much larger minority.
People of colour - and EU immigrants - who are easily mobile will leave the UK, but probably that's only a small %. Those who remain will be very bitter and that simmering will worsen the social effects of any racial and economic problems

The UK will probably now have brain drain and tax drain - some of the more mobile UK professional class will leave too, at least for the few years of upheaval.

My extended Arab Coltic family has completely left the ME for the USA over the last years and they were all professionals too. So, I suppose I'm following the family trend of leaving countries that become disfunctional.
Professionals may be only a small % of the population, but can have a significant effect when we abandon a country.

btw, being Arab Coptic, wrt that section of Left Behind voters who say they voted Brexit to hurt those who are prosperous and who they feel look down on them:
they remind me of the nihilism of suicide bombers.

On a lighter note - I wonder what Boris is up to this morning - packing for his hols?

Boris is in Boris Land. He doesn't need to go on holiday to escape the real world. Think what Boris Land is like. Even with all that intellect and razor sharp observation, Boris is still Boris.

We are lucky. We appeared to have escaped Boris Land. Imagine that. Actually BEING Boris.

He's at home in front of the mirror, cigar in hand, trying to do Winston impression and trying to work out why he didn't manage to nail it properly. If only I'd gone for the look as well as the talk, maybe things would be different.

But above all else, he's trying to work out his most important Brexit Strategy. How the fuck is he going to deal with Ian Hislop.

DoinitFine I would have preferred him to sit on his hands and expose GO - his approach has not got him any closer to meeting his inflation target as he has impacted asset prices rather than consumer prices.

Also as so much personal wealth and debt is now tied up in housing I would further argue that his intervention has and will constrain real investment and economic activity for a very very long time.

I wonder what the LDs are up to and whether the progressive alliance is being put together.

I dunno. Whatever it is, I hope High Commander are LISTENING to the members. Their command structure is set up to do this better than some of the other parties though. They have relatively few big donors. They don't have unions with their own agendas. They don't have the newspaper barons.

Which is why they don't get the same power and campaigning clout.

It might be a strength right now though. If they aren't dickheads. Lots of problems to deal with. Not least the fact that Arron Banks is determined to set up a 'war' with the liberals' in the minds of a lot of people.

Again collision course stuff. They need to get wise to it. I'm not sure they 'get it' yet though.

BigChoc I'm sorry you have left. I'm sticking around as oddly I feel empowered to tell everyone it is MY country too. I am perverse! (I am however, getting back up passports for myself and children just in case). I agree about the brain drain - one of my children is leaving to try work abroad next week and I think another will follow in a couple of years

I am lucky I live in a wonderful safe multi-cultural city that welcomes refugees and voted 63% to stay overall and 80% voted remain in my ward. When I visit family in Kent I don't feel the same way so I do understand how you feel . Have a great birthday

The guardian picture essay on the last week is great. Says more than words:

www.theguardian.com/politics/ng-interactive/2016/jul/01/brexit-and-beyond-seven-days-that-shook-uk-picture-essay-eu-referendum

Caption contest: What is Mr Gove saying here?

I can't fault your reasoning BigChocFrenzy. Last night on Any Questions Paul Nuttall of UKIP was musing about repatriation and said he wasn't for it because it was illegal and there had been no call for it. Not because it would be wrong. I realise that Nuttall is beyond the pale at the moment but the changes we're seeing could lead to a big swing to the Right of the centre ground.

The Overton window may well have climbed onto a roller coaster.

Oh Rupert your hand is so far up my arse I can feel your fingers in my mouth

Sorry that was for red's caption compo

I would have preferred him to sit on his hands and expose GO

Interesting.

Yes, I see.

I have always thought of Carney as being hamstrung by Osborne.

But of course, the bleeding obvious eluded me.

Thanks :)

BigChoc, agree about the brain drain.

We are torn about staying or fleeing. DH wants to stay more than me. I don't recognise the country and my heart is all for saying 'get out, get out whilst you still can'.

order-order.com/2016/07/02/telegraph-pulled-article-critical-theresa-may-campaign-pressure/
Guido Fawkes does my tits in at times, but he's picked up something interesting. A critical newspaper article of Theresa May seemingly disappearing. He's got a point - where IS all the criticism for May? Sometimes its the things that aren't said that are as important as those that are.... so whilst we are all busy talking about Gove what else is going on. Smoke and Mirrors anyone?

On the flip to that I've seen it pointed out this morning that May's strategy seems to unite the party by not going to a party wide election but to win before it gets to that stage. However this means she also does not have a mandate from the party as well as the electorate (Been referred to as the Gordon Brown option).

Red stay with us! Together we can do this. (Or leave later if it gets to that point)

Fintan O'Toole article is fab btw. Thanks for that.

We could start building an arc?

One thing has been bugging me about Tom Watson in all of this - what is a silent disco??

A silent disco is where you wear wireless headphones and the music is sent to them. Funny to watch - I bet Tom looked ridic

JC as Steptoe spot on .

Thanks show. Now I'm imagining Gove or Theresa May at a silent disco.

That guardian picture essay showed Theresa May making a leadership speech in a blue tartan suit. Aside from it being awful, was it a message to the Scots?

I fear that if we sit as merely spectators to this circus, without having some input to the process now ongoing, we'll end up shat on one way or another.

As a direct result of reading this thread, I have just joined the Labour Party.
I look forward to your analyses of the runners and riders for the (eventual) leadership contest.