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Brexit

The Remain camp's vile apocalyptic narrative

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mamamea · 29/06/2016 19:07

A lot of Remainers seem to believe that 52% of the country are evil racists. Minor racist incidents are being made into front page news.

Some people seem to think that racism was invented last Thursday. Confirmation bias is a powerful thing - the media always have a story to push, and they will seize on any incident that fits that, while rejecting those that don't.

The police have come out and said that the media and the ludicrous Remainers who are determined that our country has turned into a post-apocalyptic hellhole in the space of 24 hours, are talking bollocks, frankly. Facts, however, are not all that important, when there is a 'our country is going to become a hellhole in the space of a few months' narrative to push because people have not got their way.

Remain insist that we are going bust, or perhaps have gone bust already. Everything that will happen in the future, on any subject, is going to be terrible - we will be gassed due to hitherto EU-inhibited pollution, we will lose all our employment rights and become slaves, The Troubles will restart in Northern Ireland, and so the narrative goes on and on and on, with any p.

I have never seen such an absurd response to ANY event in Britain, but for me it absolutely confirms what I have long since suspected about the so-called liberal left - that they are anything but liberal, they only accept THEIR viewpoint, and anything other than this will be ruthlessly slandered and derided. Similar responses are typically seen when the Conservative party wins an election - but this surpasses anything seen after 2010 or 2015. The Remain camp are organising demonstrations which they, absurdly, claim are supposed to demonstrate togetherness, but have names like 'Manchester stays' (which clearly demonstrate that they are intended to exclude the 52% of the population that wants to Leave, and indeed could be interpreted as an ultimatum).

No-one from the Reman side seems interested in genuinely working together to write a positive 'Leave' story for the future (nobody's saying, for instance, 'let's emulate Norway', they instead if they do reference Norway, it's to further deprecate the Leavers by saying how stupid it would be to Leave only to go with the Norwegian model, which is just the same (except of course it can't be because they are determined that Leave is a highway to hell, so they must hold the contrary position of insisting that Leave position x is not worth the trouble, while Leave position y is evil)). They prefer instead engage in nihilistic rhetoric about racism and economic doom, and fling insults at those involved with Leave. (Leave leader X is posh, Leave leader Y went to private school, Leave voters are stupid, inbred and racist, so old they aren't entitled to an opinion and should probably be subject to compulsory euthanasia, and so on and on and on)

It's astonishing that the 48% are trying to divide and insult the 52%, and to insist that we are doomed. Do people really think this is a way to deal with people with different opinions? I know it has been tried in the past - clearly quite a lot of people object, for instance, to mass immigration from Eastern Europe (for which public consent would not have been given, hence it was never sought), and the rhetoric is always much the same - "oh look, this person who objects is a racist, game over 'we win'". This 'you are a racist' device has been successfully employed for years, but it turns out, in reality, that it never convinced - the majority of the country, when directly asked, said 'No' to the EU and to globalism. Yet apparently the Remain camp still wants to continue with this tactic, even though it has clearly failed. No need to engage with people's concerns, when you can just pull a Gordon Brown and say 'bigoted woman', and move swiftly onward.

What planet are Remain living on, when their narrative is rejected by the biggest popular mandate in living memory, and yet they still think it will pay off to push it, but now with an added side of 'how very dare you, you racist inbred half-wit'? Clearly this totalitarian illiberal liberalism is a very powerful force in Western society, but we have rejected it by a clear majority, despite Remain employing every slander it could think of prior to the referendum (if you vote Leave, you are complicit in murder, and all the rest).

How long will this go on? For how long can Remain continue to deny reality, that they are on the wrong side of history? Will they try to add 'an uneducated Leave voter is only worth 3/5 of a degree-educated Remain voter' to their existing 'a 70 year old Leave voter is only worth 1/3 of a 20-year-old Remain voter' arsenal of denial?

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Unescorted · 29/06/2016 20:09

No racist incident is minor
37.44% of the population registered to vote put the cross in the leave box - not 52% as you assert. Hardly a majority or even a convincing mandate.
A positive story is difficult to write when the leavers have no plan to take the country forward from the rudderless situation it is currently in. Additionally there still appears to be confusion amongst leavers about the choices we have. It has been made clear both pre & post referendum that the UK can have access to the EU markets if it allows free movement across it's borders, without any say in the rules of the market place in which we would be trading OR restrict immigration and be subject to all the normal tarrifs and additional taxes. Unfortunately many people still conflate the 2 options and think we can restrict immigration and retain open market access and influence within the negotiating bloc of the EU. Sadly this does not appear to be the case.
The leave campaign was filled with lies, untruths and ommissions. I do not trust them.

Therefore I am finding it very difficult to write a positve "leave" story because I think it is the single largest collective mistake this country has made.

Showmethewaytogohome · 29/06/2016 20:09

FOR FREAKS SAKE NO ONE IS SAYING LEAVERS ARE RACISTS
BUT almost all racists are leavers - not hard to understand really

Although I do wonder is some posters are actually right wing and inciting on purpose. It feels like an anti anti propaganda campaign to me

missmatted · 29/06/2016 20:11

The remain camp also want politics taught in school. With a liberal bias of course

Thefuturecouldbebright · 29/06/2016 20:11

showme too far... My brain hurts! 😬😂

ricketytickety · 29/06/2016 20:12

Slightly off topic from your post op, but the other thing that worries me about the media's reporting is the division between old and young and the assumption that older generation voted leave and the young voted remain and that this reflects greed on the part of the older generation.

I would say many older people were swayed by their worries about the NHS and voted out of fear, not greed.

I don't like the way our older people are being labelled as greedy baby boomers. It's generalisation again and not looking at the nuances of people's situations and thus reasons to vote.

Oibeer · 29/06/2016 20:15

Wicket Please clarify "hopefully we get someone with the guts to not take any more shit off the EU."

What sorts of shit are you talking about? Could you give some examples? I'd like to learn more about this. Tia.

Thefuturecouldbebright · 29/06/2016 20:15

showme I think you are probably correct that the majority of racists are leavers. But they in the voting populous constitute a significant minority. Therefore they should not be given the credence they seek.
I cannot imagine that ALL racists voted leave, as some of them may have had vested interests in the remain outcome, but could still be racists nonetheless. The rest of the racists are just intensely stupid and probably didnt even know how to use a pencil.

SnowBells · 29/06/2016 20:15

mamamea

I'm not normally that interested in politics. However, I am a Remainer with a passion. It really means a hell damn lot to me.

Maybe it's because, you know, I look at the economy for a living. Maybe it's because I hate any kind of nationalistic tendency. Maybe it's because I seriously think that the 52% were blinded by lies and got it wrong.

It must tell you something, if people are passionate about this, but couldn't care less about the general election. THIS is more important to us than that!

Thefuturecouldbebright · 29/06/2016 20:17

rickety Agreed, I think its easy to dismiss the baby boomers, but they were there for the institution of the EEC and subsequently the EU. So if I respect anyones opinion its theirs, they have the gift of time, experience and reflection. This should never be underestimated imho!

RainYourRottingMyDhaliaBulbs · 29/06/2016 20:18

Maybe it's because I seriously think that the 52% were blinded by lies and got it wrong

arghhhhhhhhhhhh seriously! How patronizing and rude can you be.

Tell me, are you one of the posters who feels certain people shouldn't get the bloody vote at all?

This is one of the most worrying trends I am reading about, Some people want to actually Deny people they think as THICK the vote! Shock

If anything smacks of Fascism its this! Where does it stop? Badges? Ghettos for those you deem not worthy???

Brokenbiscuit · 29/06/2016 20:18

Minor racist incidents are being made into front page news.

Sorry, but you lost me at this point.

ARumWithAView · 29/06/2016 20:18

Mamamea, 'minor' racial abuse just doesn't fit into that neat spectrum of wrongdoing (stealing pencils from work versus mass murder) you imply.

Racist attacks escalate, both in volume and severity, if minor incidents go unchecked.

Racism is viral, imitative. Plenty of people who quietly hold racist views can be encouraged to speak and act on them if there's a culture of tacit approval or lack of consequences.

Racist abuse separates communities into antagonistic factions. Being threatened or intimidated may lead to retaliation, which is then used to justify further attacks.

Like it or not, the far right in many countries have seen Brexit as public validation of their agendas. If that association bothers you, then minimizing race-related crimes (and insinuating that paying too much attention to it is a waste of police resources) probably isn't the way to go.

ricketytickety · 29/06/2016 20:18

mupperoon interesting point...but free speech should still have consequences. You can say what you like but if you incite racial hatred or say something libeless then the law still applies.

mamamea · 29/06/2016 20:21

"I understand what you mean, but the affect of a racist incident on someone isn't minor no matter what level of abuse it is."

I don't follow. The effect of various racist incidents on me HAS been minor. Other racist incidents may not be.

My comment about 'minor racist incidents' was in the context of something being national news. Clearly out of 60 million people a substantial number are knuckle-dragging twats. Therefore in the context of national news, some mouthy yobs being mouthy on a tram, for example, simply doesn't figure, because there are mouthy yobs being mouthy thousands of times a day (not always in a racist context, but mouthy and distressing none the less). In reality, a mouthy yob being mouthy, absent any racism, ALSO signifies that they are potentially violent wastes-of-space. But we cannot just lock up all the (readily identifiable) oxygen thieves populating our country, we ignore or give them a caution, and then perhaps next week they get arrested for being in a brawl in a pub or whatever, and so it continues. Humans, men in particular, are NOT universally civilized, but there is not a great deal we can do to try and change the violent (verbally and physically) yobbos so largely they will just get on with it.

What we do NOT need to do is seize on a few quite plainly nasty pieces of work, and try to make out that they became that way because of a democratic vote a few days ago, or that they are representative of our country, when they reply to a minor rebuke with showers of abuse, racist and otherwise.

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missmatted · 29/06/2016 20:21

Racism is bad but classism is alive and well in these threads

Helmetbymidnight · 29/06/2016 20:22

get a grip op.

There will be turmoil now but in ten or twenty years everything will be fine (this based on nothing btw but I know some people prefer that)

I actually think it's disgusting that you are trying to deny the rise in racist incidents since Friday. I certainly don't think all exiters are racist but you have to wonder what kind of person would take the stance that it is lies.

Thefuturecouldbebright · 29/06/2016 20:23

Please elaborate missmatted 😊

noblegiraffe · 29/06/2016 20:23

You forgot to add the picture of Winnie the Pooh to your post.

Mooingcow · 29/06/2016 20:23

Oh, and reported incidents of racism are up 57% in a week.

Zoe Williams, writing in the Guardian, offered a list of six ways to fight Brexit including:

3 - Show solidarity with immigrants and refugees. It is good to show support on social media, to retweet racist incidents, to heap disapprobation upon them

So, are people being encouraged to decide what's a racist incident based on someone's passport?

What about reporting and retweeting sexism? Ageism? Disablist behaviour?

Is this racist in itself? I find it uncomfortably patronising at best and worry about the already fuelled-up SJWs angrily recording incidents and retweeting them hysterically.

It's an irresponsible fanning of an already raging fire IMHO.

RainYourRottingMyDhaliaBulbs · 29/06/2016 20:23

So if I respect anyones opinion its theirs, they have the gift of time, experience and reflection

I agree.

Its makes perfect sense they have seen whats its morphed into. They have had the benefit of time to see how bloody useless and cumbersome it is.

You would think after all this time, it has crack teams to deal with various issues it may face. It doesn't. What on earth is there to vote for?

Headofthehive55 · 29/06/2016 20:25

A lot of older voters possibly wanted to go back to the EEC...but that isn't on offer. Mind you when people witter on about the early seventies all I remember is being sat round a candle as there was power cuts and short time working.

Lucyccfc · 29/06/2016 20:25

Some of the bullshit coming from the remain camp is no different than the bullshit that came from the leave camp prior to the vote.

You know the crap - we can put all the EU money into the NHS, we can still be part of the single market, but control our borders and not have free movement.

It's all a load of bollocks to be fair. Not one person can predict what will happen long term. In fact, as our fucked up Government have no plan in place or know what they are doing, no one knows what will happen short-term.

ricketytickety · 29/06/2016 20:26

I agree op that people with anti social behaviour are more likely to use racist abuse to hurt people and will also be causing a lot of damage to society in lots of other areas too.

They didn't become that way because of the vote. But the vote has given them a sense of power and entitlement to be more aggressive and abusive. It has escalated. Just like all abusive people, they escalate it if they can.

mamamea · 29/06/2016 20:28

Also, given that there are, plainly, incidents of minor (yes, really) racist abuse many times daily, referendum or otherwise, it would be impossible to publicise them all.

Do people seriously truly imagine that out of sixty-odd million people, a significant number of which get into argy-bargy on a given day, that the number of such incidents involving racial abuse, doesn't greatly exceed any possible ability for our media to publicise them all? And that this is so regardless of a referendum? And that perhaps people choosing to film white yobs arguing with a black man, may also do so on the basis also of confirmation bias, given that we are being told that racism is 'taking over'.

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ricketytickety · 29/06/2016 20:28

Let me add I don't blame leavers for this escalation. I blame the anti social people for their behaviour. But the referendum has had an affect. And the media are fanning the flames a bit. I think we need to redress the balance with some unity between leavers and remainers and non voters who care about people and don't want racism to play a part in politics.