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The Remain camp's vile apocalyptic narrative

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mamamea · 29/06/2016 19:07

A lot of Remainers seem to believe that 52% of the country are evil racists. Minor racist incidents are being made into front page news.

Some people seem to think that racism was invented last Thursday. Confirmation bias is a powerful thing - the media always have a story to push, and they will seize on any incident that fits that, while rejecting those that don't.

The police have come out and said that the media and the ludicrous Remainers who are determined that our country has turned into a post-apocalyptic hellhole in the space of 24 hours, are talking bollocks, frankly. Facts, however, are not all that important, when there is a 'our country is going to become a hellhole in the space of a few months' narrative to push because people have not got their way.

Remain insist that we are going bust, or perhaps have gone bust already. Everything that will happen in the future, on any subject, is going to be terrible - we will be gassed due to hitherto EU-inhibited pollution, we will lose all our employment rights and become slaves, The Troubles will restart in Northern Ireland, and so the narrative goes on and on and on, with any p.

I have never seen such an absurd response to ANY event in Britain, but for me it absolutely confirms what I have long since suspected about the so-called liberal left - that they are anything but liberal, they only accept THEIR viewpoint, and anything other than this will be ruthlessly slandered and derided. Similar responses are typically seen when the Conservative party wins an election - but this surpasses anything seen after 2010 or 2015. The Remain camp are organising demonstrations which they, absurdly, claim are supposed to demonstrate togetherness, but have names like 'Manchester stays' (which clearly demonstrate that they are intended to exclude the 52% of the population that wants to Leave, and indeed could be interpreted as an ultimatum).

No-one from the Reman side seems interested in genuinely working together to write a positive 'Leave' story for the future (nobody's saying, for instance, 'let's emulate Norway', they instead if they do reference Norway, it's to further deprecate the Leavers by saying how stupid it would be to Leave only to go with the Norwegian model, which is just the same (except of course it can't be because they are determined that Leave is a highway to hell, so they must hold the contrary position of insisting that Leave position x is not worth the trouble, while Leave position y is evil)). They prefer instead engage in nihilistic rhetoric about racism and economic doom, and fling insults at those involved with Leave. (Leave leader X is posh, Leave leader Y went to private school, Leave voters are stupid, inbred and racist, so old they aren't entitled to an opinion and should probably be subject to compulsory euthanasia, and so on and on and on)

It's astonishing that the 48% are trying to divide and insult the 52%, and to insist that we are doomed. Do people really think this is a way to deal with people with different opinions? I know it has been tried in the past - clearly quite a lot of people object, for instance, to mass immigration from Eastern Europe (for which public consent would not have been given, hence it was never sought), and the rhetoric is always much the same - "oh look, this person who objects is a racist, game over 'we win'". This 'you are a racist' device has been successfully employed for years, but it turns out, in reality, that it never convinced - the majority of the country, when directly asked, said 'No' to the EU and to globalism. Yet apparently the Remain camp still wants to continue with this tactic, even though it has clearly failed. No need to engage with people's concerns, when you can just pull a Gordon Brown and say 'bigoted woman', and move swiftly onward.

What planet are Remain living on, when their narrative is rejected by the biggest popular mandate in living memory, and yet they still think it will pay off to push it, but now with an added side of 'how very dare you, you racist inbred half-wit'? Clearly this totalitarian illiberal liberalism is a very powerful force in Western society, but we have rejected it by a clear majority, despite Remain employing every slander it could think of prior to the referendum (if you vote Leave, you are complicit in murder, and all the rest).

How long will this go on? For how long can Remain continue to deny reality, that they are on the wrong side of history? Will they try to add 'an uneducated Leave voter is only worth 3/5 of a degree-educated Remain voter' to their existing 'a 70 year old Leave voter is only worth 1/3 of a 20-year-old Remain voter' arsenal of denial?

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exLtEveDallas · 29/06/2016 19:31

How long will this go on? For how long can Remain continue to deny reality, that they are on the wrong side of history?

How long? Well maybe until the Leave actually put a plan of action together, so we can all see what exactly is going to change - if anything.

Or maybe just until the economy picks back up, interest rates fall and they decide whether to make more cuts or increase taxes.

KitKat1985 · 29/06/2016 19:31

Exactly what part of this do you think is going well so far OP?!? Maybe the damage to the economy, the reported increase in racism, the threat to break up the UK? Please enlighten me.

DigestiveBiscuit · 29/06/2016 19:31

ITA - its amazing how the Remain camp make comments, like the Leave camp are old people, who have ruined the future for the young. A note of realism here:

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05/26/the-truth-about-britains-trade-outside-the-european-union/

IMO, some in the Remain camp accuse Leave of racism or xenophobia, because they have to resort to insults, as they have no logical argument to counter the fear of the impact of uncontrolled mass immigration on schools, GP surgeries, rent/property prices, etc and the fact we need to build a city the size of Nottingham every year to keep pace, in what is already a densely populated country, compared to France or Germany. Some of us value wildlife and the environment - we don't want to see the Greenbelt concreted over.

Showmethewaytogohome · 29/06/2016 19:31

Mama You haven't responded re the GOVERNMENT statement today. Stop feeling sorry for yourself - feel sorry for those who are under attack

Lack of empathy is so unattractive

OutwardBound2016 · 29/06/2016 19:32

Just on the point of hate crime rises being a myth our local force posted on social media today about some recent local examples and what to do if you are a victim.

Helmetbymidnight · 29/06/2016 19:33

I think she thinks she is making Britain great again Shock

80schild · 29/06/2016 19:33

I do agree with you OP about the liberally intolerant.

ricketytickety · 29/06/2016 19:34

72% of people voted, not 100%. So 52% of 72% is actually 37.44% of the population voting for leave. 34.56% voted remain. 28% didn't vote.

So there are 3 'camps' on your imaginary battleground split into 3 roughly the same size. Leave is a little bit bigger.

Then, if you took a wander around your 'camps' you'd find they themselves are split into different groups. Some leave voters are racists. Some leave voters are protesting against the establishment. Some leave voters against an undemocratic eu.

In the remain camp you'll find different groups here too. Some believe trade should be free in Europe, others that the EU is a good thing as it regulates corruption on a national level and another group where the voters voted remain because they enjoy the movement of peoples around the EU.

In the last camp, the non voters, they will be split into groups of people who just don't care, another group who think they can't make a difference either way, or another where they didn't understand what was going on and didn't feel confident to vote either way.

So, don't say 52% of the population voted to leave. They didn't. 37.44% voted to leave.

Don't lump all remainers into the same 'camp' - just as leavers had different reasons to vote their way, so did the remainers.

And don't forget the 28% who didn't vote at all.

Nothing in this referendum is straight forward.

Showmethewaytogohome · 29/06/2016 19:36

Out Exactly

I as a 7 year old had to run the gauntlet of what would be called racist abuse today. Not nice. At all.

To think that that is happening again en mass to children today disgusts me. To think that people on here refuse to believe it has increased due to the vile around the referendum disgusts me even more.

Thefuturecouldbebright · 29/06/2016 19:37

Arrrgggh! The 28% that didnt bother? Thats not an argument! They opted to accept the populist majority by abstaining. They decided not to make their vote count and I an sick of hearing about their relevance in this!

Sierra259 · 29/06/2016 19:38

Great post rickety

HopeArden · 29/06/2016 19:38

The 28% who cba to vote have, by that action, agreed to support the result whichever way it went.

Thefuturecouldbebright · 29/06/2016 19:39

Hi five hope

Showmethewaytogohome · 29/06/2016 19:39

FFS Compassion and Empathy people

Those who do not have it disgust me

ricketytickety · 29/06/2016 19:42

Any racist incident is not 'minor' to the person being abused.

ConferencePear · 29/06/2016 19:43

What I don't understand is why the Remainers can't accept that they lost the vote. I have never so far had a MP that I voted for, but I never thought that gave me the right to go out and make vile public criticisms of those won.

Footle · 29/06/2016 19:43

It's hear hear, not here here. Well it's neither from me actually.

Thefuturecouldbebright · 29/06/2016 19:43

Can we all just have an agreement that whichever side of the EU debate you fall, the far right must be admonished at every turn. They must not be given a voice or a platform. Never, not on my watch and I am pro leave.

Showmethewaytogohome · 29/06/2016 19:45

Thefuture absolutely agree!

FellOutOfBed2wice · 29/06/2016 19:46

Have my first ever Biscuit OP

BishopBrennansArse · 29/06/2016 19:46

If say the biggest frustration with many people who voted remain - probably not all of them as they're not a homogeneous blob as you seem to think - is that nothing is actually being done.

Right. You got your wonderful victory. Great.

Get on with it, stop looking at remain supporters to sort your mess. Stop moaning that people aren't happy, of course they're not. In a democracy they're allowed to complain and I'm damn sure such a close result the other way would have resulted in exactly the same reversed. Farage said he'd demand a second referendum at those figures.

It'd be nice if those campaigning to leave actually had a plan and started implementing it rather than this horrendous limbo of uncertainty.

Oh, and reported incidents of racism are up 57% in a week. Rather than claiming people who voted to remain perhaps get behind initiatives like the safety pin because I don't know about you but whatever way you voted we need to stand together to stamp out racism.

I'm not saying everyone who voted leave are racist. I am saying racist people have hijacked the result to their own ends though and everyone has a responsibility to make it clear it's bit acceptable.

ricketytickety · 29/06/2016 19:47

thefuture I was arguing the 28% non voters would have a variety of reasons for not voting including not caring, not knowing which way to vote or not thinking their vote would make any difference either way. hope has added that some non voters may have felt they were on the fence and so would essentially back whoever 'won'.

What I was trying to say is that each person who voted had their own reasons to vote and it's not as easy as saying 'all remainers are liberals' because they aren't. Just as all leavers aren't racist. It's much more complicated than that. That's why parties were split down the middle.

mamamea · 29/06/2016 19:48

"OP Question - why has the government today set up this:

www.politicshome.com/news/uk/home-affairs/policing/news/76743/government-unveils-new-action-plan-stamp-out-hate-crime
"

They haven't.

They said

"Since coming to office, the Government have worked with the police to improve our collective response to hate crime. The Home Secretary has asked the police to ensure that the recording of religious-based hate crime now includes the faith of the victim—a measure that came into effect this April. We have also established joint training between the police and the Crown Prosecution Service to improve the way the police identify and investigate hate crime. Alongside this training, the College of Policing, as the professional body for policing, has published national strategy and operational guidance in this area to ensure that policing deals with hate crime effectively.

But we need to do more to understand the hate crime we are seeing and to tackle it. That is why we will be publishing a new hate crime action plan covering all forms of hate crime, including xenophobic attacks. We have developed the plan in partnership with communities and with Departments across Government. It will include measures to increase the reporting of hate incidents and crimes, including working with communities and police to develop third-party reporting centres. It will work to prevent hate crimes on transport, and to tackle attacks against Muslim women, which we recognise is an area of great concern to the community. The action plan will also provide stronger support for victims, helping to put a stop to this pernicious behaviour."

The government set up its last hate crime action plan in 2012, when it was run by the Lib Dems under the coalition. Now they are a Conservative government and it's clear from the statement that a plan was in the work.

What you have there again is confirmation bias. The government have been working on this plan for MONTHS

"We have developed the plan in partnership with communities and with Departments across Government. "

They did not just magically come up with it since Thursday.

The new plan - which hasn't even been published yet - has made the national international press. The Wall Street Journal, for instance, has publicised it. But the announcement and publication of 2012's Hate Crime Action Plan got almost NO publicity. Nothing in the WSJ, nothing in the Daily Mail. Even The Guardian didn't bother with it.

2012's plan was called 'Challenge it, Report it, Stop it' -see if you can find it in the media - I can't.. The media push their line, and when it suits they will seize on anything - today, a still unfinished report, which in 2012 they turned a blind eye to - became international headlines, as anything that can support the 'racist Britain' narrative is seized upon eagerly.

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iisme · 29/06/2016 19:49

I have never so far had a MP that I voted for, but I never thought that gave me the right to go out and make vile public criticisms of those won.

General elections are legally binding - you can't do anything about it. Rerendums are advisory (in most cases, including this) and are not infrequently ignored. That's why people are trying to get MPs not to ratify it.

Thefuturecouldbebright · 29/06/2016 19:49

Fair enough rickety I appreciate your clarity and accept your point.