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The Remain camp's vile apocalyptic narrative

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mamamea · 29/06/2016 19:07

A lot of Remainers seem to believe that 52% of the country are evil racists. Minor racist incidents are being made into front page news.

Some people seem to think that racism was invented last Thursday. Confirmation bias is a powerful thing - the media always have a story to push, and they will seize on any incident that fits that, while rejecting those that don't.

The police have come out and said that the media and the ludicrous Remainers who are determined that our country has turned into a post-apocalyptic hellhole in the space of 24 hours, are talking bollocks, frankly. Facts, however, are not all that important, when there is a 'our country is going to become a hellhole in the space of a few months' narrative to push because people have not got their way.

Remain insist that we are going bust, or perhaps have gone bust already. Everything that will happen in the future, on any subject, is going to be terrible - we will be gassed due to hitherto EU-inhibited pollution, we will lose all our employment rights and become slaves, The Troubles will restart in Northern Ireland, and so the narrative goes on and on and on, with any p.

I have never seen such an absurd response to ANY event in Britain, but for me it absolutely confirms what I have long since suspected about the so-called liberal left - that they are anything but liberal, they only accept THEIR viewpoint, and anything other than this will be ruthlessly slandered and derided. Similar responses are typically seen when the Conservative party wins an election - but this surpasses anything seen after 2010 or 2015. The Remain camp are organising demonstrations which they, absurdly, claim are supposed to demonstrate togetherness, but have names like 'Manchester stays' (which clearly demonstrate that they are intended to exclude the 52% of the population that wants to Leave, and indeed could be interpreted as an ultimatum).

No-one from the Reman side seems interested in genuinely working together to write a positive 'Leave' story for the future (nobody's saying, for instance, 'let's emulate Norway', they instead if they do reference Norway, it's to further deprecate the Leavers by saying how stupid it would be to Leave only to go with the Norwegian model, which is just the same (except of course it can't be because they are determined that Leave is a highway to hell, so they must hold the contrary position of insisting that Leave position x is not worth the trouble, while Leave position y is evil)). They prefer instead engage in nihilistic rhetoric about racism and economic doom, and fling insults at those involved with Leave. (Leave leader X is posh, Leave leader Y went to private school, Leave voters are stupid, inbred and racist, so old they aren't entitled to an opinion and should probably be subject to compulsory euthanasia, and so on and on and on)

It's astonishing that the 48% are trying to divide and insult the 52%, and to insist that we are doomed. Do people really think this is a way to deal with people with different opinions? I know it has been tried in the past - clearly quite a lot of people object, for instance, to mass immigration from Eastern Europe (for which public consent would not have been given, hence it was never sought), and the rhetoric is always much the same - "oh look, this person who objects is a racist, game over 'we win'". This 'you are a racist' device has been successfully employed for years, but it turns out, in reality, that it never convinced - the majority of the country, when directly asked, said 'No' to the EU and to globalism. Yet apparently the Remain camp still wants to continue with this tactic, even though it has clearly failed. No need to engage with people's concerns, when you can just pull a Gordon Brown and say 'bigoted woman', and move swiftly onward.

What planet are Remain living on, when their narrative is rejected by the biggest popular mandate in living memory, and yet they still think it will pay off to push it, but now with an added side of 'how very dare you, you racist inbred half-wit'? Clearly this totalitarian illiberal liberalism is a very powerful force in Western society, but we have rejected it by a clear majority, despite Remain employing every slander it could think of prior to the referendum (if you vote Leave, you are complicit in murder, and all the rest).

How long will this go on? For how long can Remain continue to deny reality, that they are on the wrong side of history? Will they try to add 'an uneducated Leave voter is only worth 3/5 of a degree-educated Remain voter' to their existing 'a 70 year old Leave voter is only worth 1/3 of a 20-year-old Remain voter' arsenal of denial?

OP posts:
Showmethewaytogohome · 29/06/2016 19:50

It's not about Remain or Leave - it's about those who have taken the so called division and are using it

I may have my views and very strong ones BUT we are allowing the far right to galvanise and use the division to regroup and attack.

Which will only lead to more and more violence - you think the anti-facists won't take to the streets too? They will and are regrouping as well

Everyone has to take a stand against racists. It is you do not or join with them ...that is the point that I am not in your camp as a British person and human being - not if you are remain or leave

ricketytickety · 29/06/2016 19:50

Totally agree thefuture that we should all shun the far right. That's the biggest threat to our society at the moment.

iisme · 29/06/2016 19:51

Can we all just have an agreement that whichever side of the EU debate you fall, the far right must be admonished at every turn. They must not be given a voice or a platform. Never, not on my watch and I am pro leave.

But they have been given a voice and a platform. The far right across Europe is jubilant. Marine Le Pen changed her profile to a union flag. I appreciate that the majority of leave voters didn't want this and don't endorse it, but they legitimised it. The campaign was run on clearly racist grounds, and when it succeeded, it was seen as an endorsement of racism.

Thefuturecouldbebright · 29/06/2016 19:52

Thanks rickety and couldnt agree more showme

Maybe we on MN could do more to unite agains sickening hate crimes.

Thefuturecouldbebright · 29/06/2016 19:54

Im sorry iisme but I disagree, yes they are beating their chests currently, but the leave vote was the one thing thing they thought they had common ground to argue on politically (wrongly I might add) well we voted leave (by majority) and still hate the far right. So now they are totally voiceless imho...

Showmethewaytogohome · 29/06/2016 19:55

Thefuture agreed MN could I think - it is a huge issue of our time and we have to tackle it at every level

ricketytickety · 29/06/2016 19:55

I hate the racist Britain narrative too because it overshadows all of the good people do for each other.

But that doesn't mean we should minimise the referendum effect on racist incidents which have risen - minorities are reporting this.

I do think the media have some influence - the more racists hear about incidents on the rise the more they will feel they are able to abuse people. It sort of feeds itself. We need to crack down on it, not ignore or minimise it.

I like that phrase 'Challenge it, Report it, Stop it'

Thefuturecouldbebright · 29/06/2016 19:55

What else can they argue for? The common ground of leave is determined. There is nothing left for them to attach themselves too.

Thefuturecouldbebright · 29/06/2016 19:57

I am pro leave, but I would fight to the death to never allow my voice to be aligned with racists and intolerant wankers.

Glamourgates · 29/06/2016 19:58

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mamamea · 29/06/2016 19:58

"Any racist incident is not 'minor' to the person being abused."

Who said? I have been subject to 'minor' racial abuse. I wouldn't equate it, with say, an anti-semitic murder.

The phrase 'minor crime' is used to distinguish from 'serious crime', or 'minor incident' from 'serious incident'. A train running one of two signals is a 'minor incident', whereas a near crash with a car might be a 'serious incident'.

Racism is bad. But so is burglary, rape and murder. The suggestion that as soon as the word 'racism' is invoked, we must drop everything else and come running, regardless of the facts, is clearly faulty. We CANNOT say 'no racism is minor', if that means, for instance, that we forfeit the power to allocate our criminal resources effectively - law enforcement has other important matters to deal with besides racism, and it is necessary to prioritise for this reason - we would expect far more police time to spent investigating a mass murderer than say someone who stole some pencils from work. How can we hope to police effectively when we have been told that the word 'racism' means we forfeit our powers of logic and analysis?

OP posts:
ricketytickety · 29/06/2016 20:00

Yes, we need to call on the media to flood their broadcasts with kindness and unity rather than division. The media today stoke the fires and they should be more responsible on what they report. I watched a channel 4 report about racist fans and they wanted to hammer home the point the most vicious thug was a northerner. Why?

PigletWasPoohsFriend · 29/06/2016 20:00

Arrrgggh! The 28% that didnt bother? Thats not an argument! They opted to accept the populist majority by abstaining. They decided not to make their vote count and I an sick of hearing about their relevance in this!

Of course they are relevant.

I voted remain but one of the arguements aimed at leavers is that they have 'ruined' the chances of the young.

Well as only 36% of those aged 18-25 bothered to vote then I think that is a bit unfair. Especially as apparently they would have been more likely to vote remain.

Babymamamama · 29/06/2016 20:01

Well said OP. I voted out purely on the basis of the disgusting levels of pilfering and waste endemic in the EU especially in Brussels and other parts of Europe which I've witnessed first hand. I'm not racist and sick of all the accusations being bandied around. It's not a given that the economy will worsen. Nobody knows the future. In any case we won't leave anyway in my opinion - what prime minister will feel able to see this through? Despite the referendum. By the way the hate crimes are despicable but racists don't become racists overnight,they were so anyway, let's remember that.

ricketytickety · 29/06/2016 20:02

I understand what you mean, but the affect of a racist incident on someone isn't minor no matter what level of abuse it is.

Thefuturecouldbebright · 29/06/2016 20:02

They made themselves irrelevant by CHOICE. If you choose not to vote, you make yourself irrelevant. Everyone was given the opportunity, so I cannot accept that argument, I just cant.

ThoraGruntwhistle · 29/06/2016 20:03

They may have already been racists but before the referendum, they weren't able to say 'the country's just voted to send you back' etc like some reports have said.

bakeoffcake · 29/06/2016 20:03
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Thefuturecouldbebright · 29/06/2016 20:04

Agreed rickety Mama I accept most of your post, but I cannot ever accept a racist incident as minor, because of what it could lead to if ignored.

LondonKiwiMummy · 29/06/2016 20:05

Ugh. I'm declaring peak Brexit. These posts are so ugly. Please rant at your mates in the pub next time.

ricketytickety · 29/06/2016 20:05

If someone shouts a verbal racial insult at someone then it should be reported. And the police should deal with it. Not ignore it.

mupperoon · 29/06/2016 20:05

Slight deviation... The thing about not giving far right wing parties a platform disturbs me. Surely this is another way of saying that we can't trust people in general to be rational or sceptical when fed a load of hideous racist bile? And doesn't it pave the way for other restrictions on free speech or indeed far left parties further down the line?

It's a problematic one given the criticism aimed at Remainers in the OP.

Thefuturecouldbebright · 29/06/2016 20:07

Interesting point to consider mupperoon

pippilongstoking · 29/06/2016 20:08

I will never understand how it can be only 70 years since the last World War, and people do not remember the dangers of "Let's make this country GREAT again!"

Only it was Germany, last time...

So, yes, when one opens a Pandora box, one expects the worst...

I still do not understand how this was allowed to happen.

Thefuturecouldbebright · 29/06/2016 20:08

london peak brexit... Love it! 😂