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The Remain camp's vile apocalyptic narrative

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mamamea · 29/06/2016 19:07

A lot of Remainers seem to believe that 52% of the country are evil racists. Minor racist incidents are being made into front page news.

Some people seem to think that racism was invented last Thursday. Confirmation bias is a powerful thing - the media always have a story to push, and they will seize on any incident that fits that, while rejecting those that don't.

The police have come out and said that the media and the ludicrous Remainers who are determined that our country has turned into a post-apocalyptic hellhole in the space of 24 hours, are talking bollocks, frankly. Facts, however, are not all that important, when there is a 'our country is going to become a hellhole in the space of a few months' narrative to push because people have not got their way.

Remain insist that we are going bust, or perhaps have gone bust already. Everything that will happen in the future, on any subject, is going to be terrible - we will be gassed due to hitherto EU-inhibited pollution, we will lose all our employment rights and become slaves, The Troubles will restart in Northern Ireland, and so the narrative goes on and on and on, with any p.

I have never seen such an absurd response to ANY event in Britain, but for me it absolutely confirms what I have long since suspected about the so-called liberal left - that they are anything but liberal, they only accept THEIR viewpoint, and anything other than this will be ruthlessly slandered and derided. Similar responses are typically seen when the Conservative party wins an election - but this surpasses anything seen after 2010 or 2015. The Remain camp are organising demonstrations which they, absurdly, claim are supposed to demonstrate togetherness, but have names like 'Manchester stays' (which clearly demonstrate that they are intended to exclude the 52% of the population that wants to Leave, and indeed could be interpreted as an ultimatum).

No-one from the Reman side seems interested in genuinely working together to write a positive 'Leave' story for the future (nobody's saying, for instance, 'let's emulate Norway', they instead if they do reference Norway, it's to further deprecate the Leavers by saying how stupid it would be to Leave only to go with the Norwegian model, which is just the same (except of course it can't be because they are determined that Leave is a highway to hell, so they must hold the contrary position of insisting that Leave position x is not worth the trouble, while Leave position y is evil)). They prefer instead engage in nihilistic rhetoric about racism and economic doom, and fling insults at those involved with Leave. (Leave leader X is posh, Leave leader Y went to private school, Leave voters are stupid, inbred and racist, so old they aren't entitled to an opinion and should probably be subject to compulsory euthanasia, and so on and on and on)

It's astonishing that the 48% are trying to divide and insult the 52%, and to insist that we are doomed. Do people really think this is a way to deal with people with different opinions? I know it has been tried in the past - clearly quite a lot of people object, for instance, to mass immigration from Eastern Europe (for which public consent would not have been given, hence it was never sought), and the rhetoric is always much the same - "oh look, this person who objects is a racist, game over 'we win'". This 'you are a racist' device has been successfully employed for years, but it turns out, in reality, that it never convinced - the majority of the country, when directly asked, said 'No' to the EU and to globalism. Yet apparently the Remain camp still wants to continue with this tactic, even though it has clearly failed. No need to engage with people's concerns, when you can just pull a Gordon Brown and say 'bigoted woman', and move swiftly onward.

What planet are Remain living on, when their narrative is rejected by the biggest popular mandate in living memory, and yet they still think it will pay off to push it, but now with an added side of 'how very dare you, you racist inbred half-wit'? Clearly this totalitarian illiberal liberalism is a very powerful force in Western society, but we have rejected it by a clear majority, despite Remain employing every slander it could think of prior to the referendum (if you vote Leave, you are complicit in murder, and all the rest).

How long will this go on? For how long can Remain continue to deny reality, that they are on the wrong side of history? Will they try to add 'an uneducated Leave voter is only worth 3/5 of a degree-educated Remain voter' to their existing 'a 70 year old Leave voter is only worth 1/3 of a 20-year-old Remain voter' arsenal of denial?

OP posts:
mamamea · 29/06/2016 20:52

"Also that woman who Gordon brown called bigoted WAS bigoted. She was literally asking where all the damn brown people had come from."

????

She didn't mention brown people, she asked about Eastern Europeans

www.theguardian.com/politics/2010/apr/28/gordon-brown-gillian-duffy-transcript

OP posts:
Thefuturecouldbebright · 29/06/2016 20:52

Mupperoon I think its patronising to suggest that our fathers were influenced by nostalgia, that is an easy way to dismiss the experience and knowledge of those older than we. My argument is, in so many other cultures, older people are respected and considered wise. Yet in our culture, we ridicule and disrespect the opinion of our elders as if they are irrelevant and stupid. Not good.

Thefuturecouldbebright · 29/06/2016 20:57

They are the truth tellers... They have seen it first hand, no Wikipedia or encyclopedia can dismiss that fact.,

Helmetbymidnight · 29/06/2016 20:57

No one has said our country (or 52% of the country) became 'racist' overnight.

Why are you saying that?

I've not heard 'ALL leavers are racist' I've heard that the leavers have opened the door to racists, legitimised it, given it a platform etc. Etc.

The difference may be a bit subtle but do you really not get that?

LuluJakey1 · 29/06/2016 21:00

They are all as bad as each other - Cameron, Osborne, Johnson, Gove, Farage, Labour Party MPs, Daily Mail, Jean Claude Junkers, Merkel, Lord Hill, the Kinnocks, Nicola Sturgeon,

They all have their noses in the trough at Westminster or the EU or the Scottish Parliament, they all have their own power agenda, they don't represent the peole who elected them- or in Junkers case, he is unelected- , the London- centric view is front and centre with the Tories, the Labour Party have forgotten who they represent and have fallen into the London right-on view of everything which isn't actually what most of their voters believe at all, Junkers and Hill and the Kinnocks are earnng a fortune from us and no one agrees with what they stand for.

It's no wonder it is such a fucking mess. The whole lot needs to fall apart and be rebuilt. If any of our politicians had any idea they would be stepping up with something new that people want.

We shouldn't be blaming each other, we should be blaming the politicians who have so misjudged how fed up many people are with them - it seems to have passed them by.

Thefuturecouldbebright · 29/06/2016 21:01

Sorry helmet but I have heard ALL leavers are racist, or uneducated or the older faction should just hurry up and die. From the side that preach tolerance.

Thefuturecouldbebright · 29/06/2016 21:02

Well said LULU.... They are leaving us to fight amongst ourselves, having abandoned us for their own self interests!

mupperoon · 29/06/2016 21:03

Er, I said that both young and old can make bad decisions. Nostalgia may have been the wrong word, but on the other hand I will ridicule the views of anyone, young or old, if I find them ridiculous.

Thefuturecouldbebright · 29/06/2016 21:04

I am not suggesting you agree helmet but overwhelmingly its what I have seen.

Thefuturecouldbebright · 29/06/2016 21:04

So Mupperoon you find the views of those who have witnessed it directly ridiculous?

Mooingcow · 29/06/2016 21:06

And Gordon Brown's intolerant, bigoted, knee-jerk ignorant attitude has multiplied.

She was entitled to ask him the question. It has been proven that Labour's immigration policy was uncontrolled and remains unquantifiable.

If some of the preachers-of-tolerance took the time to listen to (I am not saying agree with), feel empathy and look for positive solutions and moves towards integration to the Gillian Duffys of this country, rather than abusing them, the spectre of far more violent and sinister people worrying about the country of their birth would not be on the rise.

It is the illogical intolerance of the neo liberal fascists that has directly caused a rise in the far right.

LondonKiwiMummy · 29/06/2016 21:09

Oh hi there OP are you still going? Orange is the New Black is available on Netflix you know.

Or, you could obsessively obsess about people who disagree with you on a highly contentious and sensitive subject a bit more on the internet.

Have you thought about taking up a hobby? I find gardening is very calming myself.

TheElementsSong · 29/06/2016 21:10

We truly are Schrödinger's Post-Factual Kingdom now.

The Leave voters are simultaneously the triumphant majority who deserve adulation and sweep all before them, and the cowering masses utterly oppressed and terrorised by unkind comments of the minority. And, by the way, the bruising of feelings by angry and shocked words is exactly equivalent (no! worse!) than the actuality of throwing the country (and the world economy) into chaos.

The Leave majority must constantly remind Remain that they are the insignificant minority who have been vanquished, and yet Remain voters have such a power that their negative attitudes alone can could set the Good Ship Titanic New Britain astray from its course, their impure thoughts can call racists into existence.

Leave voters collectively know better than the government who wanted us to Remain, and yet they expected the same know-nothing government to actually sort out that complicated Leaving business for them. (See also Experts).

People who are upset by what's happened to this country and feel unwelcome should shut up and fuck off elsewhere instead of making up untruths about being abused, and yet they should stay and apply their effort and skills towards our glorious future.

£9 billion per year being paid to the EU is an outrageous sum being stolen from the people, but £8 billion lost to shareholders (that's us, folks) in one morning from RBS crash alone is insignificant. In fact, "nothing has happened".

The UK simultaneously has the greatest, bravest and most wonderful people on earth (well, as long as they're not of foreign origin or worse, Remain voters), and yet is being brutally crushed and robbed, held back from its golden potential, by a bunch of cheese-eating surrender monkeys using the power of, um, stern words.

Leaving is a powerful and positive action to free us from undemocratic oppression, and yet we are going to take our sweet time and nobody can make us leave.

And never forget, nothing is happening (job losses - made up! racial incidents - exaggerated! economic turmoil - insignificant jiggles! people feeling upset - fuck off!) unless it seems like good news (markets stabilised - hurrah! but they never collapsed in the first place, ok! hovercraft sales - new basis for flourishing economy!).

Confirmation bias is a universal human weakness, you know Hmm.

Helmetbymidnight · 29/06/2016 21:15

Well I've heard individual leavers say racist things - in rl, FB, and tv yet I still have this amazing ability to discern that they are not speaking for everyone.

LuluJakey1 · 29/06/2016 21:18

And God save us from Angela Eagle as Labour leader- she will inspire no one outside of a few luvvies. Ponderous, squeaky voiced, dull and uninspiring.

mupperoon · 29/06/2016 21:18

Well, I could just as well have said wise, or enthralling, or suspect. But in the case of my dad, I do think he has a rose tinted view of Britain's past and a blinkered view of its present. Just because he lived through it doesn't AUTOMATICALLY make him right. My FIL voted Remain because he was alive in WW2 and believes that the EU helps to protect us from the forces which led to that war. I find his arguments more compelling than my father's. I am not ageist.

Thefuturecouldbebright · 29/06/2016 21:19

Anyway, as this thread is about to dissapear up the arsehole of those 'who know better' . I think I am done. But thanks OP and others for a challenging debate

mupperoon · 29/06/2016 21:20

Awesome post TheElementsSong

Helmetbymidnight · 29/06/2016 21:23

I am a bit surprised how pissed off some exitters come across on here.

Why?

These is your moment. Britain will be great again thanks to you.

Helmetbymidnight · 29/06/2016 21:23

This!

MelanieCheeks · 29/06/2016 21:28

Well said, elementssong.

I'm a remain voter trying to get over it and see the way forward. I recognise that not every one of the 17m are racist, but when you see someone wear a t shirt that says " we won-you can go home now" then it's hard not to interpret that as being what was really meant by " we want our country back".

bakeoffcake · 29/06/2016 21:28

Ha! The USA, Canada and Mexico Presidents are meeting at this moment to form a trade deal.

So while we in the UK (or what's left of it) are withdrawing from a huge market and going it alone, across the Atlantic they are merging together.

The UK is absolutely fucked in this shrinking world.

noblegiraffe · 29/06/2016 21:30

What pisses me off is constant exhortations from leavers to 'work together and get on with this' when all I see from them is either whiny posts about hurt feelings or smug posts about how happy and excited they are about the future.

No action coming from them, is there? that'll be because there is no plan

RufusTheReindeer · 29/06/2016 21:33

theelements

Grin
noblegiraffe · 29/06/2016 21:36

Great post Elements