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Brexit

The Remain camp's vile apocalyptic narrative

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mamamea · 29/06/2016 19:07

A lot of Remainers seem to believe that 52% of the country are evil racists. Minor racist incidents are being made into front page news.

Some people seem to think that racism was invented last Thursday. Confirmation bias is a powerful thing - the media always have a story to push, and they will seize on any incident that fits that, while rejecting those that don't.

The police have come out and said that the media and the ludicrous Remainers who are determined that our country has turned into a post-apocalyptic hellhole in the space of 24 hours, are talking bollocks, frankly. Facts, however, are not all that important, when there is a 'our country is going to become a hellhole in the space of a few months' narrative to push because people have not got their way.

Remain insist that we are going bust, or perhaps have gone bust already. Everything that will happen in the future, on any subject, is going to be terrible - we will be gassed due to hitherto EU-inhibited pollution, we will lose all our employment rights and become slaves, The Troubles will restart in Northern Ireland, and so the narrative goes on and on and on, with any p.

I have never seen such an absurd response to ANY event in Britain, but for me it absolutely confirms what I have long since suspected about the so-called liberal left - that they are anything but liberal, they only accept THEIR viewpoint, and anything other than this will be ruthlessly slandered and derided. Similar responses are typically seen when the Conservative party wins an election - but this surpasses anything seen after 2010 or 2015. The Remain camp are organising demonstrations which they, absurdly, claim are supposed to demonstrate togetherness, but have names like 'Manchester stays' (which clearly demonstrate that they are intended to exclude the 52% of the population that wants to Leave, and indeed could be interpreted as an ultimatum).

No-one from the Reman side seems interested in genuinely working together to write a positive 'Leave' story for the future (nobody's saying, for instance, 'let's emulate Norway', they instead if they do reference Norway, it's to further deprecate the Leavers by saying how stupid it would be to Leave only to go with the Norwegian model, which is just the same (except of course it can't be because they are determined that Leave is a highway to hell, so they must hold the contrary position of insisting that Leave position x is not worth the trouble, while Leave position y is evil)). They prefer instead engage in nihilistic rhetoric about racism and economic doom, and fling insults at those involved with Leave. (Leave leader X is posh, Leave leader Y went to private school, Leave voters are stupid, inbred and racist, so old they aren't entitled to an opinion and should probably be subject to compulsory euthanasia, and so on and on and on)

It's astonishing that the 48% are trying to divide and insult the 52%, and to insist that we are doomed. Do people really think this is a way to deal with people with different opinions? I know it has been tried in the past - clearly quite a lot of people object, for instance, to mass immigration from Eastern Europe (for which public consent would not have been given, hence it was never sought), and the rhetoric is always much the same - "oh look, this person who objects is a racist, game over 'we win'". This 'you are a racist' device has been successfully employed for years, but it turns out, in reality, that it never convinced - the majority of the country, when directly asked, said 'No' to the EU and to globalism. Yet apparently the Remain camp still wants to continue with this tactic, even though it has clearly failed. No need to engage with people's concerns, when you can just pull a Gordon Brown and say 'bigoted woman', and move swiftly onward.

What planet are Remain living on, when their narrative is rejected by the biggest popular mandate in living memory, and yet they still think it will pay off to push it, but now with an added side of 'how very dare you, you racist inbred half-wit'? Clearly this totalitarian illiberal liberalism is a very powerful force in Western society, but we have rejected it by a clear majority, despite Remain employing every slander it could think of prior to the referendum (if you vote Leave, you are complicit in murder, and all the rest).

How long will this go on? For how long can Remain continue to deny reality, that they are on the wrong side of history? Will they try to add 'an uneducated Leave voter is only worth 3/5 of a degree-educated Remain voter' to their existing 'a 70 year old Leave voter is only worth 1/3 of a 20-year-old Remain voter' arsenal of denial?

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JudyCoolibar · 01/07/2016 00:05

It's ludicrous to whinge about EU commissioners being unelected. They're effectively only the equivalent of the civil service here - do you want to elect them?

noblegiraffe · 01/07/2016 00:06

I've lived all over the world and several times had to leave a country when it wasn't what my parents had planned.

Then you wouldn't understand that sense of belonging.

You might manage, and of course we'll manage but that doesn't mean we haven't lost something.

GlassBrexiteer · 01/07/2016 00:07

it's not just what the EU is now, it's where it's going, we can see the way it started out with trade agreements and has progressed to more member states over which it has more control

more and more people governed by a small un elected group...how can anyone be ok with that?

JudyCoolibar · 01/07/2016 00:09

But we're not governed by an unelected group in the EU. What do you imagine MEPs are?

MotherOfBleach · 01/07/2016 00:10

Which specific EU laws negatively effect you personally, Brexiteer?

KateInKorea · 01/07/2016 04:49

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SnowBells · 01/07/2016 06:05

GrassBrexiteer

more and more people governed by a small un elected group...how can anyone be ok with that?

God. Are you complaining about the 28 EU Commissioners again??? Why don't you start in your own backyard and tackle the 800 unelected members of the House of Lords?

Unelected officials do have a role: If everything was done to appease the public, for example, we wouldn't have many of our environmental protection laws - these laws address long-term environmental problems, and you'll realise that the majority of humans are terribly shortsighted.

TheElementsSong · 01/07/2016 07:28

Great post, noblegiraffe, you've articulated a lot of what I feel I've lost.

Unlike many here (I bloody hate having to qualify every fucking statement in case somrbody says, "well you're wrong about me so your whole point is wrong!") - I chose this place as my home. Part of that choice was because I thought this was an open, tolerant, wise and welcoming country and that it was part of a continental community with similar ideals. I was so proud when I got my first passport to be a citizen of the European Union and the United Kingdom.

It is cowardly weasel words to dissemble with "not losing their european citizenship" which is no doubt going to be some state-the-obvious geography Hmm when surely the entire fucking point of Leaving the European Union is to Leave the European Union.

And it is really pathetic to challenge posters to tell you what they have lost, see that they have poured out their feelings and concerns and job losses... and then with a supercilious sneer, "So just about you, then. Ok." I'm sure that is a winning argument for you so congratulations.

LumpySpacedPrincess · 01/07/2016 07:56

The leavers I've met seem to be blaming the EU for all sorts of things. Most of which can be blamed on tory austerity cuts.

Cuts which are now judged to be a breach of human rights.

pippilongstoking · 01/07/2016 09:33

TheElementsSong

Again, I agree with every single word. Thank you for articulating so well.

I feel I've been robbed, point blank robbed, of something I have actually worked so hard for (I earned my right to become British and European citizen, like you).

darceybussell · 01/07/2016 10:05

Not sure whether this has been mentioned before but Tony Blair was interviewed and said that he couldn't think of one single big decision he had made in ten years of being prime minister that was interfered with by the EU. He was very confused as to why people thought the UK wasn't a completely independent, sovereign nation.

NanFlanders · 01/07/2016 10:19

I, personally, haven't lost anything.....yet. In fact, my mortgage will go down. The people who have lost will be pensioners with savings - and anyone with a workplace pension, which has now crashed in value; my kids, who have lost the chance to live, work and study in 27 countries (and who knows what opportunities and relationships that went with that. I personally benefitted from studying in France for a year); my Danish friend who has 5 British kids and now says she feels like a foreigner for the first time in the country she has made her home; my friend who has lost the Spanish buyers for her house; my workplace which benefits from the most talented researchers from across the EU; the old German lady who has lived here for 27 years and is now having excrement shoved through her letter box (yesterday's Metro); hardworking, taxpaying Poles suffering 'minor' (wtaf???!!) racist attacks, the people of Cornwall, Wales and South Yorkshire who have benefited enormously from Objective One funding.....I'm sure there is plenty more, but that's just the fallout from Week One of Brexit.

Fawful · 01/07/2016 10:24

That's interesting Darcey, not seen that!

TheNaze73 · 01/07/2016 10:26

I love the Brexit rhetoric about unelected people running it, when we have a House of Lords & a monarchy

Fawful · 01/07/2016 10:34

What I like most is the argument that it's perfectly fine for politicians to lie, and that democracy involves not minding it post-results as well as before.

InShockReally · 01/07/2016 10:36

I found the New Statesman account of that report to be very comprehensive too.

yy Darcey. Except Tony Blair knows damn well why - it's because governments and officials have, for years, been saying things like "Oooh, the big bad EU is forcing this. We have no choice!" rather than taking responsibility for their own decisions to cut things for their own gain.

They never imagined that people would hold the EU accountable, they just used them like the bogeyman. I guess at least no matter what, they've lost that excuse.

SnowBells · 01/07/2016 10:40

UK
Unelected House of Lords members = 800

EU
Unelected EU Commissioners = 28

Ha. But apparently, you won't be able to argue with logic. People hated the fact that experts were sprouting facts (cheeky sods), not lies... and so forth. Hmm

MotherOfBleach · 01/07/2016 10:54

Can I just point out that the EU commissioners cannot overturn a vote of the elected MEPs. House of Lords can and recently did.

Commissioners put forward legislation, MEPs vote on it, commisioners oversee the carrying out of the legislation.

UK parliament put forward legislation, vote on it and oversee it being carried out if it's not blocked by the unelected House of Lords.

GardeningWithDynamite · 01/07/2016 22:27

Perhaps we've dodged a bullet?

www.reuters.com/article/us-britain-eu-germany-france-idUSKCN0ZC0BQ

HopeArden · 02/07/2016 09:50

The leave campaign got accused of dishonesty but there are seemingly quite a few things that Remain were keeping quiet on the run up to the vote!

noblegiraffe · 02/07/2016 10:34

David Cameron negotiated us out of an 'ever closer union' in February.

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