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The Remain camp's vile apocalyptic narrative

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mamamea · 29/06/2016 19:07

A lot of Remainers seem to believe that 52% of the country are evil racists. Minor racist incidents are being made into front page news.

Some people seem to think that racism was invented last Thursday. Confirmation bias is a powerful thing - the media always have a story to push, and they will seize on any incident that fits that, while rejecting those that don't.

The police have come out and said that the media and the ludicrous Remainers who are determined that our country has turned into a post-apocalyptic hellhole in the space of 24 hours, are talking bollocks, frankly. Facts, however, are not all that important, when there is a 'our country is going to become a hellhole in the space of a few months' narrative to push because people have not got their way.

Remain insist that we are going bust, or perhaps have gone bust already. Everything that will happen in the future, on any subject, is going to be terrible - we will be gassed due to hitherto EU-inhibited pollution, we will lose all our employment rights and become slaves, The Troubles will restart in Northern Ireland, and so the narrative goes on and on and on, with any p.

I have never seen such an absurd response to ANY event in Britain, but for me it absolutely confirms what I have long since suspected about the so-called liberal left - that they are anything but liberal, they only accept THEIR viewpoint, and anything other than this will be ruthlessly slandered and derided. Similar responses are typically seen when the Conservative party wins an election - but this surpasses anything seen after 2010 or 2015. The Remain camp are organising demonstrations which they, absurdly, claim are supposed to demonstrate togetherness, but have names like 'Manchester stays' (which clearly demonstrate that they are intended to exclude the 52% of the population that wants to Leave, and indeed could be interpreted as an ultimatum).

No-one from the Reman side seems interested in genuinely working together to write a positive 'Leave' story for the future (nobody's saying, for instance, 'let's emulate Norway', they instead if they do reference Norway, it's to further deprecate the Leavers by saying how stupid it would be to Leave only to go with the Norwegian model, which is just the same (except of course it can't be because they are determined that Leave is a highway to hell, so they must hold the contrary position of insisting that Leave position x is not worth the trouble, while Leave position y is evil)). They prefer instead engage in nihilistic rhetoric about racism and economic doom, and fling insults at those involved with Leave. (Leave leader X is posh, Leave leader Y went to private school, Leave voters are stupid, inbred and racist, so old they aren't entitled to an opinion and should probably be subject to compulsory euthanasia, and so on and on and on)

It's astonishing that the 48% are trying to divide and insult the 52%, and to insist that we are doomed. Do people really think this is a way to deal with people with different opinions? I know it has been tried in the past - clearly quite a lot of people object, for instance, to mass immigration from Eastern Europe (for which public consent would not have been given, hence it was never sought), and the rhetoric is always much the same - "oh look, this person who objects is a racist, game over 'we win'". This 'you are a racist' device has been successfully employed for years, but it turns out, in reality, that it never convinced - the majority of the country, when directly asked, said 'No' to the EU and to globalism. Yet apparently the Remain camp still wants to continue with this tactic, even though it has clearly failed. No need to engage with people's concerns, when you can just pull a Gordon Brown and say 'bigoted woman', and move swiftly onward.

What planet are Remain living on, when their narrative is rejected by the biggest popular mandate in living memory, and yet they still think it will pay off to push it, but now with an added side of 'how very dare you, you racist inbred half-wit'? Clearly this totalitarian illiberal liberalism is a very powerful force in Western society, but we have rejected it by a clear majority, despite Remain employing every slander it could think of prior to the referendum (if you vote Leave, you are complicit in murder, and all the rest).

How long will this go on? For how long can Remain continue to deny reality, that they are on the wrong side of history? Will they try to add 'an uneducated Leave voter is only worth 3/5 of a degree-educated Remain voter' to their existing 'a 70 year old Leave voter is only worth 1/3 of a 20-year-old Remain voter' arsenal of denial?

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SpringingIntoAction · 30/06/2016 23:21

Okay What have you lost?

You who would have cheerfully signed away my sovereignty to the EU.

What exactly is causing this great outpouring of grief?

AdultingIsNotWhatIExpected · 30/06/2016 23:24

You lost a vote, Get a grip

Can you spare a few minuites to imagine how you would feel if you had woken up on Friday to hear that you were being stripped of your British citizenship?

That is how a lot of people feel about losing their european citizenship (yeah yeah I know, won't happen for two years.. as if that actually makes it any better..)

It's how a lot of people identify themselves. I have always identified myself as European firstly, and then British, British alone never quite fit in with my identity after studying and living abroad.

It's not just a vote, I'm being stripped of a citizenship that has been part of my identity

It might not feature in your self identity, but thing of something that does, and imagine it being taken away from you

MotherOfBleach · 30/06/2016 23:24

Okay What have you lost?

EU funding to the college that my child was hoping to attend and that I had already applied to.

Leave have already stated that they cannot replace EU grants. I doubt a small college in the North of England will be top of their list when it comes to sorting out what's left of their 'saving' after the economy has finished decling.

How is your life personally better without the EU?

lazysummer · 30/06/2016 23:28

What is sovereignty anyway? Do you trust our politicians to lead us onwards? I certainly don't.
Leave made a load of promises that will be impossible to meet.
Give me Europe any day (minus Farage, obviously).

noblegiraffe · 30/06/2016 23:39

What have you lost?

Well, looking around, financial stability and an effective government seem to spring to mind immediately on watching the news.

My EU passport and citizenship, and that of my children (you might not value that but plenty do).

And to be honest, I've lost respect for my fellow countrymen. There's always talk about how the British are fair, tolerant and so on. This vote makes me realise that we an are insular, intolerant and narrow-minded nation. Also one that apparently doesn't value the opinion of experts which is the stupidest fucking thing ever.

Others are losing funding, contracts, jobs. Thankfully I'm not affected in that way yet, but I know people who are deeply concerned.

You who would have cheerfully signed away my sovereignty to the EU.

No, we were already members of the EU, that deal was done before I was born. I signed away nothing. You gave away my EU citizenship.

noblegiraffe · 30/06/2016 23:43

Oh, and I forgot to mention we might be about to lose the United Kingdom, we've fucked over Gibraltar and Ireland is totally screwed.

So there's that to look forward to.

SpringingIntoAction · 30/06/2016 23:46

Can you spare a few minuites to imagine how you would feel if you had woken up on Friday to hear that you were being stripped of your British citizenship?

Nobody is being stripped of their British citizenship. Stop the scare-mongering hyperbole.

That is how a lot of people feel about losing their european citizenship (yeah yeah I know, won't happen for two years.. as if that actually makes it any better..)

That just sums up the sheer ignorance of the Remain side. they are not losing their european citizenship. The EU is not Europe. They may be stripped of their citizenship of an undemocratic superstate, which is something they should be celebrating. I am a European, I was before we joined the EU, during our time in that ridiculous customs unions, and will still be a European when we have left the EU.
It's time you learnt the difference between the EU and Europe.

It's how a lot of people identify themselves. I have always identified myself as European firstly, and then British, British alone never quite fit in with my identity after studying and living abroad.
You're a very unusual individual.

It's not just a vote, I'm being stripped of a citizenship that has been part of my identity

Just sore feelings then.

It might not feature in your self identity, but thing of something that does, and imagine it being taken away from you

I have grief for real things that are taken away from me, things that matter such as family, health, eyesight, mobility, humanity.

I don't have a single tear of grief because the plans of a cabal of big banks and corporations have been thwarted in their plans to strait-jacket us into a superstate to be farmed for our taxes

Mooingcow · 30/06/2016 23:49

My EU passport and citizenship, and that of my children (you might not value that but plenty do)

My Swiss and Norwegian mates seem to manage daily business without quite such emotional hyperbole.

In fact, my Norwegian friend is currently working in Amsterdam.

Life will go on.

noblegiraffe · 30/06/2016 23:51

My Swiss and Norwegian mates seem to manage daily business without quite such emotional hyperbole.

So? Who the fuck cares about your mates? I care about my EU citizenship and passport. It has opened doors for me that I am grateful for.

MotherOfBleach · 30/06/2016 23:52

I have grief for real things that are taken away from me, things that matter such as family, health, eyesight, mobility, humanity.

Yeah me too, like my children's education.

We only have 3 colleges in town. One is mostly funded by the EU, another recieves money in arts grants.

The EU weren't threatening your eyesight, health or mobility btw. They were offering my children opportunities that would otherwise be out of our reach.

We can't afford to move to an area with better colleges.

AdultingIsNotWhatIExpected · 30/06/2016 23:52

So Mooingcow, you'ld be cool with loosing the citizenship you identify with overnight?

That's big of you.

Being devoid of emotion and not expressing emotion aren' generally considered healthy traits you know

Mooingcow · 30/06/2016 23:54

I care about my EU citizenship and passport. It has opened doors for me that I am grateful for

So just about you, then.

Ok.

noblegiraffe · 30/06/2016 23:56

mooing I was asked what I have lost, so of course my answer is about me Hmm

SpringingIntoAction · 30/06/2016 23:57

funded by the EU

Please explain how the EU raises its funding. oh wait..... i's actually UK taxpayers money which we hand to the EU so they can take their cut, rebadge as EU money and send it back to where it should have gone to in the first place.

So instead of sending £100K to our schools, we send £100K to the EU and it sends £80K to our schools.

How very efficient. That'll be a vote winner (Not)

SpringingIntoAction · 30/06/2016 23:58

I care about my EU citizenship and passport. It has opened doors for me that I am grateful for

I hire people for their skills - not their nationality

SnowBells · 30/06/2016 23:59

That shit about "undemocratic superstate"...

... why do you think the EU is undemocratic?

Because of their 28 (now 27) unelected EU commissioners? If so, don't you want to start with the 800 members of the House of Lords first?

Someone on MN said before that... well, the House of Lords has no impact on their lives (actually, they do... but I won't get into that). Well. If the House of Lords has no impact on your life... why does it have 800 members? That makes the House of Lords alone larger than the US Congress with 535 representatives!!!

Sort the shit in your own backyard before complaining about the "undemocratic" EU.

noblegiraffe · 01/07/2016 00:00

If the money would have gone to schools etc in the first place, then why are the Cornish now so concerned that the Tory government won't actually be giving them the money that they would have got from the EU and they are screwed?

JudyCoolibar · 01/07/2016 00:01

How very naive. The money we save by not paying into the EU has already been lost for several years to come by virtue of what has been put into shoring up the pound. We will continue to lose in so many ways, for instance the loss of science funding, university funding and most particularly lost trade and investment. Ironically enough, it will be the regions which voted Leave most strongly that will lose out most.

MotherOfBleach · 01/07/2016 00:01

I don't for one fucking second believe that the tories or even Labour will give a shiny shit about a former shipping town in the north of England.

The EU redistrubted money to areas that needed it. Areas forgotten by their own country's leaders.

Plus Leave have already reneaged on their promise to continue EU funding at the same levels and the current government have promised more cuts.

noblegiraffe · 01/07/2016 00:01

I hire people for their skills - not their nationality

I have no idea how that relates to my comment.

Mooingcow · 01/07/2016 00:02

So Mooingcow, you'ld be cool with loosing the citizenship you identify with overnight?

I don't live in the country where I was born. I've lived all over the world and several times had to leave a country when it wasn't what my parents had planned.

And they weren't counties that wanted to reassure and reach out to non-nationals. In one country, we had to leave books and toys behind.

I managed. You will too. You've still got a passport.

On that optimistic note, I need to go to bed. Thanks all as ever for an interesting debate.

SpringingIntoAction · 01/07/2016 00:02

Sort the shit in your own backyard before complaining about the "undemocratic" EU

You are demonstrating you understand neither the UK Parliamentary system nor the EU.

HoL is what people who refuse to address the EU's democratic deficit like to shout.

JudyCoolibar · 01/07/2016 00:03

I hire people for their skills - not their nationality

But if we lost freedom of movement then you won't be able to hire people for their skills if they're not allowed to take a job in this country. And the same will apply to EU employers.

noblegiraffe · 01/07/2016 00:04

The funny thing about the undemocratic EU is that I saw Nigel Farage who had been elected as an MEP allowed to stand up in front of them and spout all sorts of shit while a bunch of votes went on.

GlassBrexiteer · 01/07/2016 00:04

If so, don't you want to start with the 800 members of the House of Lords first?

yes it's bad enough that we have that to contend with, why would we want to also abide by the rules of another group of people who we didnt vote for

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