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The Remain camp's vile apocalyptic narrative

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mamamea · 29/06/2016 19:07

A lot of Remainers seem to believe that 52% of the country are evil racists. Minor racist incidents are being made into front page news.

Some people seem to think that racism was invented last Thursday. Confirmation bias is a powerful thing - the media always have a story to push, and they will seize on any incident that fits that, while rejecting those that don't.

The police have come out and said that the media and the ludicrous Remainers who are determined that our country has turned into a post-apocalyptic hellhole in the space of 24 hours, are talking bollocks, frankly. Facts, however, are not all that important, when there is a 'our country is going to become a hellhole in the space of a few months' narrative to push because people have not got their way.

Remain insist that we are going bust, or perhaps have gone bust already. Everything that will happen in the future, on any subject, is going to be terrible - we will be gassed due to hitherto EU-inhibited pollution, we will lose all our employment rights and become slaves, The Troubles will restart in Northern Ireland, and so the narrative goes on and on and on, with any p.

I have never seen such an absurd response to ANY event in Britain, but for me it absolutely confirms what I have long since suspected about the so-called liberal left - that they are anything but liberal, they only accept THEIR viewpoint, and anything other than this will be ruthlessly slandered and derided. Similar responses are typically seen when the Conservative party wins an election - but this surpasses anything seen after 2010 or 2015. The Remain camp are organising demonstrations which they, absurdly, claim are supposed to demonstrate togetherness, but have names like 'Manchester stays' (which clearly demonstrate that they are intended to exclude the 52% of the population that wants to Leave, and indeed could be interpreted as an ultimatum).

No-one from the Reman side seems interested in genuinely working together to write a positive 'Leave' story for the future (nobody's saying, for instance, 'let's emulate Norway', they instead if they do reference Norway, it's to further deprecate the Leavers by saying how stupid it would be to Leave only to go with the Norwegian model, which is just the same (except of course it can't be because they are determined that Leave is a highway to hell, so they must hold the contrary position of insisting that Leave position x is not worth the trouble, while Leave position y is evil)). They prefer instead engage in nihilistic rhetoric about racism and economic doom, and fling insults at those involved with Leave. (Leave leader X is posh, Leave leader Y went to private school, Leave voters are stupid, inbred and racist, so old they aren't entitled to an opinion and should probably be subject to compulsory euthanasia, and so on and on and on)

It's astonishing that the 48% are trying to divide and insult the 52%, and to insist that we are doomed. Do people really think this is a way to deal with people with different opinions? I know it has been tried in the past - clearly quite a lot of people object, for instance, to mass immigration from Eastern Europe (for which public consent would not have been given, hence it was never sought), and the rhetoric is always much the same - "oh look, this person who objects is a racist, game over 'we win'". This 'you are a racist' device has been successfully employed for years, but it turns out, in reality, that it never convinced - the majority of the country, when directly asked, said 'No' to the EU and to globalism. Yet apparently the Remain camp still wants to continue with this tactic, even though it has clearly failed. No need to engage with people's concerns, when you can just pull a Gordon Brown and say 'bigoted woman', and move swiftly onward.

What planet are Remain living on, when their narrative is rejected by the biggest popular mandate in living memory, and yet they still think it will pay off to push it, but now with an added side of 'how very dare you, you racist inbred half-wit'? Clearly this totalitarian illiberal liberalism is a very powerful force in Western society, but we have rejected it by a clear majority, despite Remain employing every slander it could think of prior to the referendum (if you vote Leave, you are complicit in murder, and all the rest).

How long will this go on? For how long can Remain continue to deny reality, that they are on the wrong side of history? Will they try to add 'an uneducated Leave voter is only worth 3/5 of a degree-educated Remain voter' to their existing 'a 70 year old Leave voter is only worth 1/3 of a 20-year-old Remain voter' arsenal of denial?

OP posts:
AdultingIsNotWhatIExpected · 30/06/2016 13:37

What's the worst that could happen?

Why ask if you don't want to hear the answer?

Surely we cannot "put our best foot forward" if we are not doing anything to eliminate the worst case scenarios

InShockReally · 30/06/2016 13:38

People don't have to be "delicate little snowflakes" to be scared right now but you DO have to be a nasty piece of work to dismiss them like that.

This'll probably get me my first MN deletion message but unimaginable lack of empathy there Malice.

Reapwhatyousow · 30/06/2016 13:44

OP - your post says it all, well done. I feel optomistic about the future. For now it's business as usual with the world, if the EU have any sense they can be a part of that. That is, business for those individuals that actually do something to create wealth. Lots of people just getting on with it that makes up the whole. Self reliance so that you have a surplus and can help others along on a micro and local level. That is not the EU and that is not the EU way; they want dependents and clients of the state. That is why I voted to leave as I have lived the last 40 years and witnessed the people of this country become increasingly enfeebled.

IcedCoffeeToGo · 30/06/2016 13:46

Oh fuck.

Medical researchers have lost funding.... that's more cancer, less cure
Scientists have lost funding..... that's less innovation
Businesses have lost contracts..... that's job losses
Businesses are relocating..... more job losses
The £ has gone down.... job losses
Food prices will increase.... for some that's less food
More racist and xenophobic attacks..... that's the beginning of the end

What more do you need to understand that Brexit is fucking shit?

IcedCoffeeToGo · 30/06/2016 13:48

Those that don't fear this new UK are simply too fucking stupid to understand the implications... I've reached that conclusion and this post simply solidifies my belief.

Dawndonnaagain · 30/06/2016 13:53

Best foot forward, hope for the best. What's the worst that could happen?
I was literally putting my best foot forward (walking the dog) when my neighbour informed me that the vote meant she no longer had to talk to me as I'm foreign. I'm not, although my Grandmother was from Gibraltar.
I have also been asked when I'm putting dd on a plane back to where we came from. That would be London, then.
So sod off with your delicate snowflake shite, the worst is happening to some of us whether OP chooses to believe it or not.

NanFlanders · 30/06/2016 13:56

OK, I'm a Remainer and it does seem to me that a lot of people have voted to give the establishment and 'liberal left' a punch in the nose (the famous 'Bregreters' who have - on radio and TV - been clear that for them, it was a protest vote that they never expected to win). Also some people were misled by outright lies about the money saved being spent on the NHS (a promise which was described as a 'mistake' by Farage within hours of the vote, and some vague association of the EU with the migrant crisis (UKIP posters showing queues of desperate Syrians - wtaf?). And, yes, some were also xenophobic and racist too - lots of stories on Twitter of Muslims being told "You're next!" But Brexit DID win in a democratic referendum, and that must be respected. The best solution at this point I think would be a Norway type deal (still in common market, still free movement of labour both ways), but it's not unreasonable to point out that this means that we have are subject to the two major things that Brexiteers objected too - meeting 100% of EU standards to sell our good, and free movement - and we will have lost any ability to influence these.

ManonLescaut · 30/06/2016 14:14

yy IcedCoffee

MotherOfBleach · 30/06/2016 14:26

Best foot forward, hope for the best. What's the worst that could happen?

Well, on top of everything IcedCoffee just pointed out;

the economy could continue to decline
food prices could rise
tax will rise
the cuts will hit those who can afford it the least
unemployment could rise
racial hate crime could continue to rise
closet racists who wouldn't vote UKIP before now because they had no chance might now vote UKIP
Gove could become primeminister (followed by Farage eventually)
France could give us our border back
we could lose our place in the financial trading world
scotland, ireland, wales and gibralater could feck off and leave us
a further decline in industry in the north could lead to riots and major civil unrest

But yeah, other than that, it couldn't get that bad.

NB: I realise the possibility of all of these things happening are slim, but you asked for the worst.

Could someone outline the best possible results?

IcedCoffeeToGo · 30/06/2016 14:53

Just out of interest in wondering what, if anything, we have gained.

SeekEveryEveryKnownHidingPlace · 30/06/2016 15:00

Oh, tell me about it OP!

You know parliament are discussing how they can deal with the upsurge in abuse on the streets by Remain supporters at Leave supporters? And they're daubing FUCK LEAVE VOTERS, GO HOME BRECKSITEERS on walls now! And shouting 'get off the fucking tram, I will fucking kick you off this tram', when they see Leave voters (they use the scientific method which had worked for racists for decades: but instead of just any brown person who someone who's speaking a different language, they spot someone who looks like they're probably stupid, and then shout at them).

Your OP is full of bullshit hyperbole: you can't blame people for being concerned about things which are concerning. If we didn't think those things were profoundly concerning, we wouldn't have voted against them, and we wouldn't mind that we lost.

You roll up your sleeves if you want to: you got what you wanted, so any pitching in is up to the people who decided there should be something to pitch in to. And sorry to mention another thread, but I'm going to borrow a phrase I think I saw you use to an EU national upset about the result who had earned and paid taxes here for decades: don't let the door hit your arse on the way out.

WaitroseTrolley · 30/06/2016 15:07

In the interests of balance, here's the comments of some delightful Leavers:

www.buzzfeed.com/lukelewis/im-being-trolled-on-facebook-by-brextremists?utm_term=.flDQ8gvP#.ugy79OeG

SeekEveryEveryKnownHidingPlace · 30/06/2016 15:13

Oh well, they don't seem pig fucking thick or racist at all, do they? We should certainly spend more time listening to people like that. We remainers could really learn a lot about reasoned debate and respect.

GlassBrexiteer · 30/06/2016 15:13

here's the remainers theme tune:

TheElementsSong · 30/06/2016 15:14

Waitrose your link is Shock horrific!

But wait! Don't you know by now that he and his secret cabal of Remain supporters made up every one of those tens of thousands of comments? Can't you see how vile these lies are and how deeply they hurt the Leavers?

With your permission I think I will post your link to a few threads. I expect ^^

mamamea · 30/06/2016 15:22

Buzzfeed is fucking cancer.

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AdultingIsNotWhatIExpected · 30/06/2016 15:26

Can we turn this on it's head and ask Leavers what they're doing to work towards a positive future outside of europe?

RedToothBrush · 30/06/2016 15:30

Actually this is a better tune from Remainer to Leavers....

I'll stand up for you.

Tiivola · 30/06/2016 15:41

Here is the Economist Intelligence Unit's report on the impact of Brexit, written before the vote. I think the "The high-disruption case" is probably optimistic at this point, definitely not the worst case scenario.

www.eiu.com/Handlers/WhitepaperHandler.ashx?fi=Out-and-down-Mapping-the-impact-of-Brexit.pdf&mode=wp&campaignid=Brexit

I don't hold a grudge against the Leave voters, but I think it's in their own interest to realize that they've unleashed a mighty shitstorm, rather than pretending everything's fine.

I don't think all Leave voters were racist, but the unofficial Leave.eu campaign was openly xenophobic, and they delivered a lot of voters who think they are going to get their country back, and will turn against the Tories unless they can deliver on immigration. Problem is, the economic costs of that would be massive; the Leave campaign lied to voters told people they could have their cake and eat it.

AuntDotsie · 30/06/2016 15:49

I've never seen so many sore winners in my life. I wonder why that is.

SeekEveryEveryKnownHidingPlace · 30/06/2016 15:50

It is the most Pyrrhic of victories....

GlassBrexiteer · 30/06/2016 16:03

The economist is strongly pro remain
economic forcasting is frequently wrong
the economy is a 2nd order chaotic system....impossible to predict what will happen

KateInKorea · 30/06/2016 16:05

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AdultingIsNotWhatIExpected · 30/06/2016 16:07

So Leave have compaired remainers to sore losers of a football match

so lets compaire it to a football match, if those terms work

England plays France, France loses, however in the process the game being held (when it shouldn't have been as the statium wasn't fully finished and there wasn't clear sign posting or clear exit routes) some french players were seriously injured, after the game the England bus accidentlally hit an maimed a french fan.

Should the English team:
A. express its regret and sympathies to the French team members who were injured
B. laugh and jeer at the calling them "whiners" and cry babies, then go on to say they're faking their injuries to make the England team look bad?

Tomtomato · 30/06/2016 16:12

Every single person who voted leave bears some responsibility for what has happened. I have never been so angry or so ashamed of my country.