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Brexit

The Remain camp's vile apocalyptic narrative

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mamamea · 29/06/2016 19:07

A lot of Remainers seem to believe that 52% of the country are evil racists. Minor racist incidents are being made into front page news.

Some people seem to think that racism was invented last Thursday. Confirmation bias is a powerful thing - the media always have a story to push, and they will seize on any incident that fits that, while rejecting those that don't.

The police have come out and said that the media and the ludicrous Remainers who are determined that our country has turned into a post-apocalyptic hellhole in the space of 24 hours, are talking bollocks, frankly. Facts, however, are not all that important, when there is a 'our country is going to become a hellhole in the space of a few months' narrative to push because people have not got their way.

Remain insist that we are going bust, or perhaps have gone bust already. Everything that will happen in the future, on any subject, is going to be terrible - we will be gassed due to hitherto EU-inhibited pollution, we will lose all our employment rights and become slaves, The Troubles will restart in Northern Ireland, and so the narrative goes on and on and on, with any p.

I have never seen such an absurd response to ANY event in Britain, but for me it absolutely confirms what I have long since suspected about the so-called liberal left - that they are anything but liberal, they only accept THEIR viewpoint, and anything other than this will be ruthlessly slandered and derided. Similar responses are typically seen when the Conservative party wins an election - but this surpasses anything seen after 2010 or 2015. The Remain camp are organising demonstrations which they, absurdly, claim are supposed to demonstrate togetherness, but have names like 'Manchester stays' (which clearly demonstrate that they are intended to exclude the 52% of the population that wants to Leave, and indeed could be interpreted as an ultimatum).

No-one from the Reman side seems interested in genuinely working together to write a positive 'Leave' story for the future (nobody's saying, for instance, 'let's emulate Norway', they instead if they do reference Norway, it's to further deprecate the Leavers by saying how stupid it would be to Leave only to go with the Norwegian model, which is just the same (except of course it can't be because they are determined that Leave is a highway to hell, so they must hold the contrary position of insisting that Leave position x is not worth the trouble, while Leave position y is evil)). They prefer instead engage in nihilistic rhetoric about racism and economic doom, and fling insults at those involved with Leave. (Leave leader X is posh, Leave leader Y went to private school, Leave voters are stupid, inbred and racist, so old they aren't entitled to an opinion and should probably be subject to compulsory euthanasia, and so on and on and on)

It's astonishing that the 48% are trying to divide and insult the 52%, and to insist that we are doomed. Do people really think this is a way to deal with people with different opinions? I know it has been tried in the past - clearly quite a lot of people object, for instance, to mass immigration from Eastern Europe (for which public consent would not have been given, hence it was never sought), and the rhetoric is always much the same - "oh look, this person who objects is a racist, game over 'we win'". This 'you are a racist' device has been successfully employed for years, but it turns out, in reality, that it never convinced - the majority of the country, when directly asked, said 'No' to the EU and to globalism. Yet apparently the Remain camp still wants to continue with this tactic, even though it has clearly failed. No need to engage with people's concerns, when you can just pull a Gordon Brown and say 'bigoted woman', and move swiftly onward.

What planet are Remain living on, when their narrative is rejected by the biggest popular mandate in living memory, and yet they still think it will pay off to push it, but now with an added side of 'how very dare you, you racist inbred half-wit'? Clearly this totalitarian illiberal liberalism is a very powerful force in Western society, but we have rejected it by a clear majority, despite Remain employing every slander it could think of prior to the referendum (if you vote Leave, you are complicit in murder, and all the rest).

How long will this go on? For how long can Remain continue to deny reality, that they are on the wrong side of history? Will they try to add 'an uneducated Leave voter is only worth 3/5 of a degree-educated Remain voter' to their existing 'a 70 year old Leave voter is only worth 1/3 of a 20-year-old Remain voter' arsenal of denial?

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TheElementsSong · 30/06/2016 17:46

OMFG

SeekEveryEveryKnownHidingPlace · 30/06/2016 17:49

I don't think he posted 'old people are selfish' OP, but perhaps you've read the article more carefully than me? Wink

mamamea · 30/06/2016 17:54

"I don't think he posted 'old people are selfish' OP, but perhaps you've read the article more carefully than me? "

I'm looking at his Facebook profile (which is the actual basis for the article, which I'm still not going to read, because he's a professional manipulator and the actual supposed horrific profile is the news story here, not his shitty cancerous website), where below the 'I'm ashamed of my country' post, he says 'Wow. You actually did it. Thanks guys. Thanks for voting for a future the younger generation does not want" and 'This is the last fuck you from the baby boomers. They burnt the bridges behind them by colluding with the dismantling of the very things that brought them prosperity . Their last act will be to burn the economy before they die."

He is stirring up hatred against old people.

He's a scumbag manufacturing divisions for cash.

Fuck him, and fuck his cancerous website.

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AdultingIsNotWhatIExpected · 30/06/2016 17:55

I.e., he posted 'I'm ashamed of my country' and 'Old people are evil and selfish' on his profile, waited for the replies, and then turned into an article.

Do you know what you sound like OP? here's a hint:
"she went out looking like a trollop, and then she was drinking too…."

mamamea · 30/06/2016 17:57

Are you actually comparing a man who manipulates social media for a living with a rape victim?

Fuck off.

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WaitroseTrolley · 30/06/2016 17:58

So the idea is to fight bile with bile and say things that are 100x worse and more offensive?

TheElementsSong · 30/06/2016 17:59

Are you actually comparing your distaste for a website with being a victim of a racist attack?

InShockReally · 30/06/2016 18:00

mamamea, your cause's leaders Nigel Farrage and Boris Johnson have been stirring up hatred to divide the country. To advance their own careers. For the cheers of the crowd.

They didn't have a plan. They didn't know what to do when they won. They don't give a flying fuck about the people who will be harmed about this. They don't care about your cause or you unless it benefits them. One's already leapt overboard.

... And you're angry at someone who posted on their Facebook page with the sentiments on many? And got attacked by "your" lot for it?

InShockReally · 30/06/2016 18:00

*sentiments of many

mamamea · 30/06/2016 18:07

"... And you're angry at someone who posted on their Facebook page with the sentiments on many? And got attacked by "your" lot for it?"

You what?

Clickbaiter 'I'm ashamed of my country'
Top-liked reply: "Dear Europe we apologise for Luke Lewis, we didn't mean to give the impression we still don't have a backbone by you being contacted by sniffling little shits like this guy and Cameron"

What kind of response would you suggest is appropriate to a professional clickbaiter who posts provocative stuff on the internet???

He's choosing to ignore the fact that even though he set out to provoke nationalist sentiment (found on every country on the planet) by saying he was 'ashamed of his country', the tone of the posts was not racist, but 'you don't speak for me'.

Is anyone seriously expecting me to believe he didn't know EXACTLY what kind of content he as fishing for when he, as a professional provocateur, said he was 'ashamed of his country'.

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SeekEveryEveryKnownHidingPlace · 30/06/2016 18:11

Even accepting for a moment your hypothesis: Can't fish for anything if the fish aren't there, can you?

mamamea · 30/06/2016 18:12

"Can't fish for anything if the fish aren't there, can you?"

Do you think racism was invented on Thursday then???

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Fawful · 30/06/2016 18:34

Mamamea some (most?) people don't have a nationalistic sentiment. I truly don't. I care about people, not nations, and couldn't care less if anyone was ashamed of my country. I have been ashamed of my country and have (jokingly) tried to lie to people when asked, that I was from the country next door, when my country accidentally put a far-right candidate through to the second round of presidential elections.
So yes, imo you are victim-blaming if you think these abusers were provoked into writing what they did.

STIDW · 30/06/2016 18:45

The police have come out and said that the media and the ludicrous

Is there a link to the source?

This is what the press statement from the National Police Chiefs’ Council says:

.. we are seeing an increase in reports of hate crime incidents to True Vision, the police online hate crime reporting site. This is similar to the trends following other major national or international events. In previous instances, crime levels returned to normal relatively quickly but we are monitoring the situation closely.

.. There has been an of 57% increase in reporting to True Vision since Friday compared to this time last month (85 reports between Thursday 23 –Sunday 26 June compared with 54 reports the corresponding 4 days four weeks ago.) These figures only take into account reports through one mechanism, reports are also made directly to forces and other community groups like Tell Mama and Community Security so this is not an overall national figure. This should not be read as a national increase in hate crime of 57% but an increase in reporting through one mechanism.

news.npcc.police.uk/releases/hate-crime-is-unacceptable-in-any-circum

SeekEveryEveryKnownHidingPlace · 30/06/2016 18:59

I think open expression of celebratory racism has increased dramatically in the last week, yes.

Or is that just the fluoride in the water?

yelloandgreen · 30/06/2016 19:49

It's normal for people to be very angry about something they feel has been a disaster for their country, their family and the children's future.

Normal for them to be more angry that the campaign which caused it to happen was racist in nature and appealed to the worst side of humanity.

Normal for them to be angry that a large number of people who voted to make it happen did not understand very well what they were voting.

this is not vile...this is people caring about their lives, country, children etc. and you need to just suck it up and accept that they have as much right to be angry and worried as you have to celebrate.

AdultingIsNotWhatIExpected · 30/06/2016 20:14

Are you actually comparing a man who manipulates social media for a living with a rape victim?

Fuck off

no, I'm compairing being a racism apologist with being a rape apologist, I was commenting about you, not him.

AdultingIsNotWhatIExpected · 30/06/2016 20:20

As in, the poster made them do it

Mooingcow · 30/06/2016 20:29

I'm angry at a huge group of people, I only know few of. The anger comes and goes. Yesterday, I was so angry, I actually had a mini meltdown at work (colleagues are all Remainers, so fine). I got angry about posts and articles. Today, it was better, although I still get angry every now and then

I met with a group of employers today who are looking at key challenges going forward.

Several of them said that their main problem was dealing with exactly this type of behaviour. they are concerned that productivity is down because staff are arguing the toss and indulging their emotions rather than actually working, and thus freeing up employers to look at how to safeguard current EU employees and provide some sort of reassurances. Which is where they'd like to concentrate their energies right now.

Something to think about, anyway.

AdultingIsNotWhatIExpected · 30/06/2016 20:33

because staff are arguing the toss and indulging their emotions rather than actually working

People aren't being self indulgent, they are genuinely scared, devastaed, grieving, blinded by stress. Add into the mix, many people are dealing with having seriously fallen out with family members and friends

Yes, that puts productivity down, but you would cut your colleagues some slack if they were going through a divorce or had other bad news, and this is a messy divorce and people are still in shock and going through the stages of grief, you can't rush that just because it's inconvenient to people who aren't going through the same thing (and Brexit is and will NOT affect everyone the same way, so you don't get brownie points just because you're lucky enough to not be one of the people who is devastated by it)

Mooingcow · 30/06/2016 20:41

genuinely scared, devastaed, grieving, blinded by stress. Add into the mix, many people are dealing with having seriously fallen out with family members and friends

I think if people are being directly affected (ie an EU worker), there are mechanisms being put in place to look at right to remain, residency, advice on paperwork etc.

Otherwise, I think, like I would expect in a divorce, that people should leave their personal lives at home to the greatest possible extent, or take leave in which to deal with it and receive professional counselling.

As for scared, devastaed, grieving, blinded by stress, I think perhaps step back and look at ways of finding peace, perspective and patience.

Nothing will happen for two years. Meanwhile, destroying relationships and modelling such behaviour to young people is not a healthy choice in the long-term.

AdultingIsNotWhatIExpected · 30/06/2016 20:47

I think perhaps step back and look at ways of finding peace, perspective and patience

How can so many people just completely fail to empathise
People are living on quicksand, nobody knows what the requrements will be for EU people living here so there is no peace to be had, just uncertainty. Can't you even begin to get how that might feel? if you even half tried you wouldn't be so flippant

AdultingIsNotWhatIExpected · 30/06/2016 20:48

Nothing will happen for two years. Meanwhile, destroying relationships and modelling such behaviour to young people is not a healthy choice in the long-term.

The people destroying relationships are the ones looking at another person who is in turmoil and saying "suck it up snowflake"

TheElementsSong · 30/06/2016 20:55

Nothing will happen for two years.

Oh-kayyy then.

Surferjet · 30/06/2016 20:59

Haven't RTFT, but many Aisans in Oldham voted to leave the EU. That is a fact.

Of course you don't have to be white to be racist, but it's worth remembering that many 'leave' voters are non-white.

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