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Brexit

The Remain camp's vile apocalyptic narrative

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mamamea · 29/06/2016 19:07

A lot of Remainers seem to believe that 52% of the country are evil racists. Minor racist incidents are being made into front page news.

Some people seem to think that racism was invented last Thursday. Confirmation bias is a powerful thing - the media always have a story to push, and they will seize on any incident that fits that, while rejecting those that don't.

The police have come out and said that the media and the ludicrous Remainers who are determined that our country has turned into a post-apocalyptic hellhole in the space of 24 hours, are talking bollocks, frankly. Facts, however, are not all that important, when there is a 'our country is going to become a hellhole in the space of a few months' narrative to push because people have not got their way.

Remain insist that we are going bust, or perhaps have gone bust already. Everything that will happen in the future, on any subject, is going to be terrible - we will be gassed due to hitherto EU-inhibited pollution, we will lose all our employment rights and become slaves, The Troubles will restart in Northern Ireland, and so the narrative goes on and on and on, with any p.

I have never seen such an absurd response to ANY event in Britain, but for me it absolutely confirms what I have long since suspected about the so-called liberal left - that they are anything but liberal, they only accept THEIR viewpoint, and anything other than this will be ruthlessly slandered and derided. Similar responses are typically seen when the Conservative party wins an election - but this surpasses anything seen after 2010 or 2015. The Remain camp are organising demonstrations which they, absurdly, claim are supposed to demonstrate togetherness, but have names like 'Manchester stays' (which clearly demonstrate that they are intended to exclude the 52% of the population that wants to Leave, and indeed could be interpreted as an ultimatum).

No-one from the Reman side seems interested in genuinely working together to write a positive 'Leave' story for the future (nobody's saying, for instance, 'let's emulate Norway', they instead if they do reference Norway, it's to further deprecate the Leavers by saying how stupid it would be to Leave only to go with the Norwegian model, which is just the same (except of course it can't be because they are determined that Leave is a highway to hell, so they must hold the contrary position of insisting that Leave position x is not worth the trouble, while Leave position y is evil)). They prefer instead engage in nihilistic rhetoric about racism and economic doom, and fling insults at those involved with Leave. (Leave leader X is posh, Leave leader Y went to private school, Leave voters are stupid, inbred and racist, so old they aren't entitled to an opinion and should probably be subject to compulsory euthanasia, and so on and on and on)

It's astonishing that the 48% are trying to divide and insult the 52%, and to insist that we are doomed. Do people really think this is a way to deal with people with different opinions? I know it has been tried in the past - clearly quite a lot of people object, for instance, to mass immigration from Eastern Europe (for which public consent would not have been given, hence it was never sought), and the rhetoric is always much the same - "oh look, this person who objects is a racist, game over 'we win'". This 'you are a racist' device has been successfully employed for years, but it turns out, in reality, that it never convinced - the majority of the country, when directly asked, said 'No' to the EU and to globalism. Yet apparently the Remain camp still wants to continue with this tactic, even though it has clearly failed. No need to engage with people's concerns, when you can just pull a Gordon Brown and say 'bigoted woman', and move swiftly onward.

What planet are Remain living on, when their narrative is rejected by the biggest popular mandate in living memory, and yet they still think it will pay off to push it, but now with an added side of 'how very dare you, you racist inbred half-wit'? Clearly this totalitarian illiberal liberalism is a very powerful force in Western society, but we have rejected it by a clear majority, despite Remain employing every slander it could think of prior to the referendum (if you vote Leave, you are complicit in murder, and all the rest).

How long will this go on? For how long can Remain continue to deny reality, that they are on the wrong side of history? Will they try to add 'an uneducated Leave voter is only worth 3/5 of a degree-educated Remain voter' to their existing 'a 70 year old Leave voter is only worth 1/3 of a 20-year-old Remain voter' arsenal of denial?

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IcedCoffeeToGo · 30/06/2016 16:17

Anyone for a good reason to leave the EU??? Anyone at all? I'll even accept the ending of regulations on the depths of spoons or something.

BreakingDad77 · 30/06/2016 16:18

British borders whilst they themselves knew that freedom of movement was part of their exit I think they were lying, and I think they were deceitful.

I agree but when ever I raise this I am told "I am not accepting democracy", or more worringly "it doesn't matter now, the people have spoken"

TheElementsSong · 30/06/2016 16:20

The OP gave a really excellent and considered response to Waitrose's link, I thought.

SeekEveryEveryKnownHidingPlace · 30/06/2016 16:25

Like it was buzz feed that posted all that vileness, rather than actual human leave voters!

InShockReally · 30/06/2016 16:34

So you read that link did you Mamamea and all you can do is criticise the platform?

Seriously?

That's revolting.

SnowBells · 30/06/2016 16:35

Well... I have just come to the conclusion that Big Brother and other reality TV shows are obviously not entertaining enough, so voters created the world's biggest (and I have to say, most enthralling) reality TV show. Wink

In all seriousness, I've never felt like this in my life! I'm angry at a huge group of people, I only know few of. The anger comes and goes. Yesterday, I was so angry, I actually had a mini meltdown at work (colleagues are all Remainers, so fine). I got angry about posts and articles. Today, it was better, although I still get angry every now and the. I realized this is actually a lot like grief. Maybe it is grief, because when we do implement Brexit, we will lose something.

We will lose being part of something greater. Instead, we will build a wall around us and just be the island nation that we are. It's as someone else previously said... like going back to the 1920s without the fabulous clothes, and all because of a protest vote.

mamamea · 30/06/2016 16:44

"So you read that link did you Mamamea and all you can do is criticise the platform?

Seriously?

That's revolting."

I don't click on Buzzfeed links. It's cancerous garbage, and I don't click on clickbait.

I expect they set out to provoke, and it looks like they have done so.

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saffynool · 30/06/2016 16:46

Seriously? The problem here is Buzzfeed?

Way to deny miss the point, OP.

I mean, it's not as if you agree with any of the vile stuff posted on there, is it?

mamamea · 30/06/2016 16:50

Specifically, to elaborate, that was the point of my OP.

Buzzfeed is a cancerous website which is spreading viral hatred towards Leave voters by choosing to spread a narrative whereby Leave voters are evil racists. Buzzfeed is the problem.

The fact is there are racists on the internet. I follow Indonesian social media, I can assure you that the responses from Indonesians to a given subject are in general far more nasty and bigoted than what we get in Britain.

Nonetheless, cunts like Buzzfeed choose to paint a narrative where Britain is a racist hellhole because it earns them money in outraged people clicking through to their shitty bullshit content. Whether or not Britain IS a racist hellhole is simply besides the point for them. They are a festering pustule trolling for clicks, because clicks mean $$$. You cannot reasonably read ANYTHING into a Buzzfeed 'article' beyond 'we are hungry for ad impressions'.

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InShockReally · 30/06/2016 16:51

Riiiight. I'm beginning to see how you've formed the opinions which lead you to vote for leaving, so thanks for that insight. Grin

SeekEveryEveryKnownHidingPlace · 30/06/2016 16:52

Oh god you're a right one you are OP

mamamea · 30/06/2016 16:53

To further clarify, it's extremely easy to find nastiness on the internet, 365 days a year. Repackaging this nastiness, which otherwise would not have reached more than a handful a people trawling the bowels of the internet, into viral content to be read by millions is EXACTLY the problem I was referencing in my OP.

Fuck Buzzfeed.

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TheElementsSong · 30/06/2016 16:53

ShockShockShock
^^

Figmentofmyimagination · 30/06/2016 16:56

Snowbells I am the same. I am so behind at work now I don't know how I will manage. Every day I try, but I'm so tired and distracted - I am in awe of those who are pulling themselves together to try to make some sense out of this and fight against being crapped on from a great height. I must admit I am starting to feel defeated.

saffynool · 30/06/2016 16:56
Figmentofmyimagination · 30/06/2016 17:01

I haven't read the thread but I'm not sure that the tuc and the cbi would have put out a joint statement that 'the overwhelming majority of the uk public - whether they voted to leave or remain - would be appalled by the reported upsurge in racially motivated incidents and hate crimes we have seen in the past few days' if it was all an internet based fiction.

MotherOfBleach · 30/06/2016 17:03

I'm with OP personally, it was awfully terrible of Buzzfeed to trick 40,000 people into posting racially, charged homophobic bile to their page. It must have been very upsetting for the victims, especially the ones who threatened violence.

Poor souls.

mamamea · 30/06/2016 17:12

"I'm with OP personally, it was awfully terrible of Buzzfeed to trick 40,000 people into posting racially, charged homophobic bile to their page. It must have been very upsetting for the victims, especially the ones who threatened violence."

Buzzfeed manipulates people, rather than tricks them per se. Here's Noam Chomsky on this subject: www.ibtimes.co.uk/noam-chomsky-buzzfeed-vice-are-distorting-free-media-native-advertising-1503028

I daresay racists are as easy to manipulate as anyone else, perhaps more so.

What exactly is the point here? That the world's most famous and successful corporation at generating viral content was able to compile some racist comments into an article? What exactly is this supposed to have proven?

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lljkk · 30/06/2016 17:12

Best foot forward, hope for the best. What's the worst that could happen?

Just because the train crash will only maim rather than kill (many) doesn't mean I should enjoy watching the crash.

TheElementsSong · 30/06/2016 17:24

compile some racist comments into an article

Way to minimise. Bravo. Really. Bravo.

As you were too principled to click on BuzzFeed, I would just clarify (for anybody else who didn't wish to sully their pristine souls by feeding the viral monster):

The 40,000 (let's not be judge Smile) comments mentioned were posted onto an individual person's Facebook profile, because he campaigned for Remain. The comments were therefore NOT compiled by BuzzFeed.

pippilongstoking · 30/06/2016 17:24

Every single one of the Leavers with the kids will regret this - voting out Santa!!!

The Remain camp's vile apocalyptic narrative
InShockReally · 30/06/2016 17:35

Yes, it was a FB attack reported via Buzzfeed.

As for a leaver gasping at the horror of the idea of a platform manipulating people, I am Grin. That's the entire reason for your, ahem, glorious victory.

mamamea · 30/06/2016 17:44

"The 40,000 (let's not be judge smile) comments mentioned were posted onto an individual person's Facebook profile, because he campaigned for Remain. The comments were therefore NOT compiled by BuzzFeed."

Lies, all lies.

  1. This ' individual' is European editor for Buzzfeed, and his profile is full of Buzzfeed content. His facebook profile is an extension of his job

And he posted 'I've never felt so ashamed to be British.' just as the Leave decision came in, which is a calculated comment (IMO) from one of the world's leading experts at provoking social media response.

  1. There were not 40,000 racist or homophobic comments, that was the total number of comments. I'm not going to link to his profile, nor am I going to spend much time looking at it, but I couldn't see ANY racist comments in a brief look. (Of course I don't doubt that there is some there but it's a minority (hello? there are 40,000 comments) - andthe idea that it was just floods and floods of racism is bollocks from a man who sells bollocks for a living.)

And by the way, immediately below that post is an ageist diatribe. Funny that someone who is so (supposedly) opposed to bigotry would employ it himself, as a rhetorical device against people who disagree with him.

Pretty much exactly what I said in my OP - this man is by no means alone....

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ChilliMum · 30/06/2016 17:44

I am a remain voter. I think that some good could come from the brexit vote. It has shone a light on the inequalities in Britain and it has caused outrage against hate crime both of which were a problem before the vote. If we can harness this feeling as a positive force for good and take action and begin to heal then brexit and the pain our country is suffering will not have been for nothing.
However like many other people I see no direction in this or in a positive plan for Brexit. I want to be happy. I want to know what the plan is going forward. I want a government who can work together for the best deal for us. But I have little faith in our government as they can't stop fighting long enough to debate the issues never mind devise a plan to take us forward.
So yes I am angry, my family, friends and country face uncertainty. I am angry that lies were told with no comeback. I am angry that Britain is a place where people feel that their vote doesn't count or that they have nothing left to lose so a kick at the establishment is more important than the future of our children. I am scared that leaving the eu will leave us with a right wing government who imho will continue to cut benefits and service's for the most vulnerable in society and there will be no eu legislation to protect us. I am angry that peace and the environment didn't feature in the campaign of the remain camp and so didn't and still aren't forming part of the discourse going forward.
I am however just 1 person and don't speak on behalf of all remainers just as I am sure other brexiters don't speak for you.
Maybe it's time we all stopped speaking so much and started listening instead.

mamamea · 30/06/2016 17:45

I.e., he posted 'I'm ashamed of my country' and 'Old people are evil and selfish' on his profile, waited for the replies, and then turned into an article.

Manufactured bollocks.

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