Have Boris and Jeremy been stabbed in the back? Please can we have some leaders?

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And another thread about antics of President Boris and Comrade Jeremy and all their friends.

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Can we laugh or cry yet?

Are you still sane?

Will this insanity ever end?

Also the case in France, an emergency brake would cut the grass from under Le Pen's feet.

Could the EU change its own rules, to give everyone an emergency brake, including the UK as part of the Single Market? (but then what was the point of leaving in the first place? And could the EU get its act together in time?!)

telling me we are lucky to have that great politician Cameron

Maybe it's a case of grass looking greener in other countries... I used to have lots of Brits telling me how good Sarkozy was for France, leaving me slightly agog too... Strangely doesn't happen so much these days with Hollande, though

The Mail:

The words for Gove are not brutal, but his methods are called into question.
With the best will in the world, we cannot see Mr Gove as a Prime Minister for these turbulent times. A great irony of his surprise decision to throw his hat into the leadership ring yesterday is that in the very act of doing so, he raised question marks over the qualities so many have come to admire in him: consistency, strict adherence to principle and, yes, trustworthiness.

Gove, the paper says, would be better suited to chief negotiator for Brexit.
This paper has enormous respect for Mr Gove. He can claim a large measure of the credit for the result, which this paper remains convinced was the right one for our country and Europe.

Am I to presume they want him for Head of Brexit?

And after posting that I see Arron Banks is Team Leadsom.

Great.

Still so annoyed at Tom Bradby. Bloody fool. I woke up with a headache and first the first face I saw in the news was Eagle's. Gah!

Ken Clarke is urging Gove to quit?

I want Gove as far away from the EU as he can possibly be

How could someone who despises the very principle of the institution make for an efficient, constructive negotiator? We need practical people in charge, not ideologists which an axe to grind

I have a very strong, probably slightly irrational dislike of Andrea "your mum" Leadsom. Maybe it's the constant saccharine patronising. But I'm afraid she has a good shot at gathering the hardcore Brexit Tories under her banner.

But I'm afraid she has a good shot at gathering the hardcore Brexit Tories under her banner.

That's my worry. She's doing well on online polls for the leadership. Better than May.

McDonnell doing a speech.

"It won't just be a few fat cats who suffer," if Brexit decimates finance sector, McDonnell says. Passporting is vital, a red line.

Interesting, so even the left of the Labour Party supporting the 'elite' in the forms of the banks (Thank Fuck!)

After the UK leaves the EU “free movement of labour and people will come to an end.”

Anti-immigration feeling stemmed from austerity and economic uncertainty, he says, which Labour also needs to confront.

The party’s red lines are free trade in single market and that no EU nationals in UK now will have rights affected in future.

There is no appetite from McDonnell to contest the next election on a platform of staying in the EU, the shadow chancellor inferred in his speech today.

Many, many things to ponder in that one. The implications for the next election are interesting.

Could the EU change its own rules, to give everyone an emergency brake, including the UK as part of the Single Market? (but then what was the point of leaving in the first place?

It's early days but we're going to have to get past the point of "what was the point". The only point of leaving is that the EU has been an open sore in British political and national life for decades. The goal now should be to heal that sore even at the cost of significant economic pain. This will help us grow up as a nation. For decades now we've been exposed to the spectacle of childish name-calling and blaming that "it's the EU's fault, they did it then ran away, they stink of poo". Right, the bogey-man has now gone, time to stop blaming others.

Louise Mesch has a point too:

If I were Theresa May I'd be very worried at mad Remainers Currie, Clarke, Heseltine piling in behind me

I'm thinking here that only 43% of Tory voters voted Remain at the referendum.

How the split works in the actual membership would be even more interesting to know.

Theresa has a fight on her hands.

And yet again, the inability of our politicians to look beyond the next election is staggering.

I'm beginning to think communism has a point, at least what long term goals are concerned.

Gove as a negotiator?!

Change needed to the law needed?
If there is a leadership change in the ruling party, then that automatically triggers a general election

The only point of leaving is that the EU has been an open sore in British political and national life for decades. The goal now should be to heal that sore even at the cost of significant economic pain.

I want to agree with this, but I'm not sure even a decently well-conducted Brexit will heal the sore. There will always be those who want the UK to cut even more ties with the EU, and those who want to the ties to grow stronger.

McDonnell: "I will never stand for leader of the Labour Party. I will chair [Jeremy's] campaign."

Jeremy best hope he's not taking lessons off Gove...

Theresa has a fight on her hands

I never thought I'd be glad to have the Daily Mail support Theresa May. Yet here I am. Time to dig up some dirt on Leadsom, Dacre!

Elsewhere in the world, politician carry on doing some work. Saving our necks whilst we can't be fucking arsed to do it for ourselves.

Despite claims that the US would banish Britain to the “back of the queue” if it dared to leave the European Union, Congress is already considering measures to boost trade with the UK.

A bill to lock down current trading arrangements, and fire the starting gun on a bilateral deal, was introduced to the US Senate yesterday.

The United Kingdom Trade Continuity Act mandates the US to keep trading on exactly the same terms after Britain leaves the EU.

Gove's 'Vision for Britain' due at 11am.

Brace yourself for the need to swear.

I know Chalalala. It's clear to me that the Brexit vote won because there is a long-standing misalignment between where successive governments had placed the country with respect to the EU and where the country as a mass felt it ought to be. The Leave campaign exploited this successfully (they were also very lucky in their timing and in the woeful Remain campaign). My hope is that if the misalignment is reduced there can be less grief over this issue.

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/tory-leadership-war-watch-live-8322754

Gove Live. If you can bare to watch. (not yet started)

Can you believe it has only been a week since this shitstorm began?

I have nothing useful to add, save to say that 'Cunt du Jour' is now my phrase of the week.

In the blue corner:
Louise Mensch is doing a grand job this morning desperately trying to make it an 'anyone but May' Leadership battle on twitter. Saying a lot about how its a conspiracy to never press a50.

I suspect a lot of Tory faithful share the same views. Its not good tbh.

Gove has just arrived.

Over in the red corner:
Jewish Human Rights Watch make formal complaint to Labour party about the "conduct" of Jeremy Corbyn.

Oh the other hand:

Conservative sources have told the BBC ministers are trying to persuade Michael Gove to drop out of the Conservative leadership contest.

The strategy emerging among some ministers is to make sure Theresa May wins the first ballot of MPs hands down - and then everyone would unite around the home secretary so they don't have to hold a membership vote.

Gove also on BBC News.

with only three MPs there.

More than half of all Britons believe the country’s position in the world and 54% believe the economy has got worse since the Brexit vote, a poll by Opinium has found.

The results of the poll found 7% of Leave voters now regret their decision, and a clear majority, 60%, believe there should be a general election before Article 50 is invoked and negotiations begin with the EU.

oooooooooooooo......... democracy...... that'll make a change.

Gove: paraphrase - politicians are supposed to not be human and are supposed to push through what they believe in regardless of anything or anyone else.

He's a fucking sleaze horror bag. This speech is making my skin crawl.
Twisting the knife with Johnson.