We need to pull together, grow a pair and GET ON WITH IT!

[iwantadragon]

To listen to people talk, it seems we have turned into a nation of wimpy, whinging apologists.

''I'm so embarrassed''
''I'm so ashamed''
''I'm full of despair''
''I'm so sorry''
''My life is ruined'
''Please accept my apologies''

Stop bloody whinging and saying sorry.

How do you think this tail between the legs cowed talk makes us look to the rest of the world?
It's about time we all grew up, put on a united front and got on with things
Show everybody what we're really made of.

and breathe

As far as I understand they can't force the trigger of Article 50 so I really don't know. Angela Merkel has said it would be impossible for us to stay in now, but if we were to brazen it out and refuse to pull the trigger, I don't know what would actually happen. We would obviously have very much angered a lot of people, but I don't think they can force us to leave.^

So basically, you suggest Britain goes on it's hands and knees and BEGS to be let back in?

You should listen to yourself.
A lot of Remainers are worried we're the laughing stock of Europe.
Well, if we do the above and BEG to be let back in, then we WILL BE.

We haven't left dragon so wouldn't need to beg to be let back in. Sorry just being pedantic.

We're the laughing stock whatever and no, I didn't say beg - I was answering a poster's question about whether we could be kicked out if we don't say we want to go. As far as I know, we can't be kicked out and leaving can only be triggered by our invocation of Article 50. Personally, I don't believe we should invoke it because I believe we should stay. I don't see where begging comes in .

Also, on a personal level I feel one looks stronger if they are able to admit they are wrong rather than doggedly cling to a foolish course of action out of misguided pride.

For my part, I am currently trying to organise a community event aimed at ensuring our immigrant friends knowing 'Everyone's Welcome'. What are you actively doing to try to salvage some kind of positivity from this mess op?

I'm actively NOT promoting scaremongering, which is what you are doing.

There's a large Polish community in my area.
About 10 years ago, we had lots of Polish people living here. About 5 years ago, a lot left. Recently, a lot more have turned up (possibly even come back)
It's what happens. People come and go.

A very small percentrage may be leaving because they have had racist things said to them. Which is obviously not good.
But the reality is that some are going back, simply Because They Want To.
To assume that all Polish people are going back to their country because of racism is highly irresponsible.
And it's scaremongering of the lowest sort.

So the racist attacks over the last week are due to the remain scaremongering dragon?

Don't be ridiculous.
There have been racist attacks and they need to be stamped out and dealt with.
But I think that on the whole ,immigrants ARE made to feel welcome in our country.

A very small percentage of people are committing these racist attacks. The majority of people make immigrants feel welcome.
There are more decent people in this country than there are horrible.
Why give the racists a spotlight? It's probably what these lowlifes want.

No EU compromise on freedom of movement

OP, why don't you come along to this thread and hector everybody there for being a hysterical scaremonger who should STFU and stop spreading panic?

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/eu_referendum_2016_/2673260-What-have-I-done-to-deserve-this

And the rest of the world are already laughing at us. That horse has so bolted

^Pull together and stop starting more gf threads would be a start.
Perhaps the leave leaders need to pull together and come up with a plan.^

It's alright to have numerous threads (mainly started by Remain people,)saying they're worried or angry or whatever.
But, when somebody starts a thread trying to be positive, that person gets jumped on.

You seem to have a superior attitude of thinking that one view trumps another.

Fucked up.

op

OK - we are getting on with it. So is the EU. What do you think of their reaction so far?

What sort of deal with the EU do you want? You have spent a lot of time criticising people. Rather than wasting your energy being critical, why not tell us what you are looking for?

Where did you get the ideas that I was happy to have more remain ones. Personally I don't want anymore threads especially ones started in Aibu rather than referendum section.

The discussions started by Remainers expressing worry and fear are perfectly valid places for people to talk about their feelings, share their grief and shock and get reassurance and support from one another. This thread isn't expressing positivity, it's hectoring people for their emotions and attempting to silence them. Bulldozing through all the complexities of this unprecedented situation by chirruping "let's all pull together" - how? Why? I have zero intention of working towards a solution that involves leaving the EU on the basis of this narrowly won referendum of which the victorious side secured their tiny majority with lies. I will 'pull together' with people who see what a disaster this is and are thinking of practical ways to avoid it happening - I see no benefit in pretending with the Leavers that pushing ahead with Brexit is in any way a good idea especially when no one had a bloody clue how to do it or even why it's happening. Have you seen the thread asking what the upside of Brexit will be? Not a single Leaver can come up with any reason why it will be beneficial, none at all. Why on earth would we be 'getting behind them' and putting a brave face on it all? If we look stupid now, we will look a whole lot stupider when we have left the EU and plunged ourselves into financial ruin, paying all the penalties and reaping no benefits whatsoever.

You seem to have a superior attitude of thinking that one view trumps another.

As it happens, I think people being worried that their jobs are going, their pension funds seem to be a teeny bit smaller and they might be experiencing some hostility are quite valid concerns.

And I would point out that this thread is not a "positive" one. You started out by shouting at people for "bloody whinging" and some guff about "tails between legs" and don't seem to have raised the tone since.

And growing a pair is very negative language.

Neither is shouting a good way to start a positive thread

Now you're nitpicking.

iwantadragon

Are you just going to talk about people's behaviour or are you going to outline what you want to happen?

Otherwise you've just started a thread telling people to pull together.

OP, some while back in this thread you asked "What's your plan?" Given that you think we should all be positive, I would suggest it is now time for you to answer your own question.

And why would we have to beg to be let back in? We already are in.

And why would we have to beg to be let back in? We already are in

I think we are out though. It's just what out looks like. And that's the worry.

Yes we are nitpicking. Nitpicking is good - we are looking at details and seeking specifics. That is what will actually help us move forwards, rather than spouting some guff about pulling ourselves together and getting on with it because that actually means nothing in practical terms. We won't all go out and hug a Leaver, we will ask them what exactly they voted for and how they are going to make it happen. No more platitudes, please!

OK so I am nitpicking but you are assuming rather slot from my previous post and you seen unable to tell us what we are actually supposed to do or indeed tell us what you are personally doing.

Alot not slot.

OP, some while back in this thread you asked "What's your plan?" Given that you think we should all be positive, I would suggest it is now time for you to answer your own question.

I don't think that the OP has thought beyond wanting remainers to stop being angry with her and others who voted to leave.

Mary, Leavers don't seem to be handling the backlash well at all and I think it's because their position is pretty much indefensible. They want us to shut up because we are asking them difficult questions like - why is Brexit good and how is it going to work? It turns out they can't answer, so they are trying to deflect by saying we need to be quiet and just accept it and also by the way if we could actually come up with the exit plan and sort it all out that would be great as well...