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We need to pull together, grow a pair and GET ON WITH IT!

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iwantadragon · 28/06/2016 22:24

To listen to people talk, it seems we have turned into a nation of wimpy, whinging apologists.

''I'm so embarrassed''
''I'm so ashamed''
''I'm full of despair''
''I'm so sorry''
''My life is ruined'
''Please accept my apologies''

Stop bloody whinging and saying sorry.

How do you think this tail between the legs cowed talk makes us look to the rest of the world? Hmm
It's about time we all grew up, put on a united front and got on with things
Show everybody what we're really made of.

and breathe

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JudyCoolibar · 29/06/2016 07:56

Mollie, the issue is not how to exit the EU; the issue is how the country is going to run if we are not in the EU. Any politician whose strategy is simply "It'll be fine" without having a plan in place is, at best, an irresponsible liar. Are you seriously telling us that we should believe people whose only plan is limited to that?

BigChocFrenzy · 29/06/2016 08:08

"The government should have had a plan"

Many of the Brexit leaders are part of this bloody government !
Boris just wanted to be PM; he had no other plan.

The public have got sucked into a referendum that was caused by the far-right wing of the Tory party fighting to tale over from the less nasty wing.
The Brexit Tories keep referring to Cameron as "left of centre", which should have told you where they plan on taking the country.
Yes, rejoice if you think you will prosper under raw capitalism, survival of the fittest.

Nicola Sturgeon is the ONLY politician who actually had a plan for afterwards.
She is now carrying it out. She has also said EU immigrants are welcome in Scotland, no STFU there.

The leader of the Liberal alliance in the European parliament said on Scottish TV
"There is no "no big obstacle" to an independent Scotland joining the EU BEFORE Brexit"
Hopefully England & Wales can enjoy their racial purity together.

Devilishpyjamas · 29/06/2016 08:15

I've begun to realise that the only reason they are insisting on taking us out of the EU on the result of one split referendum is that Rupert Murdock and Paul Dacre want us out of the EU.

Now, you may be happy for the Sun and the Daily Mail to dictate to us, but I am most definitely not.

That's what makes us weak; the stranglehold these media proprieters have on the country.

I do find it interesting that Liverpool, unlike similar cities, voted remain. Which 'news'paper has not been sold there for nearly 3 decades? Oh that would be The Sun.

smallfox1980 · 29/06/2016 08:18

Ahhh mollie. The exit side should have had a plan, the fact that they have no idea what they even want post brexit is worrying. Not even the vaguest of ideas.

It should worry you that although the way within the EU was very clear and the risks.of.coming out were outlined in detail, that so.many voted out. Voted out on spin and lies. Voted out as a protest against national government policy, demonstrating a lack of understanding of what the vote was about, and voted out on xenophobia.

You can make all the excuses you want, the reasons aren't opaque.

BigChocFrenzy · 29/06/2016 08:22

Reuters correspondent view of the situation:
"England has lost a prime minister, soccer manager, shadow cabinet and AAA rating in just 4 days. Must be a record, surely"

RufusTheReindeer · 29/06/2016 08:27

OP i am unhappy with people moaning on mumsnet about the results...there are so many threads...what shall i do?

I know, i will start another thread, and instead of being resonable and measured in my OP i will just tell everyone that they are whining and should grow a pair!!!!!

That is sure to be successful

RufusTheReindeer · 29/06/2016 08:29

Oh and beetroot

There are masses of remainers just sitting back and seeing what will happen

If leavers had "lost" mumsnet would still be full of threads, in the same way the weeks after the election were full of threads

RufusTheReindeer · 29/06/2016 08:32

And the whole point of a democracy is that if you dont like the government or what the country is doing you can complain, protest, vote, march and throw your toys out of the pram

Otherwise we would be Korea

So no, i am not going to complain or protest about the result but i will uphold anyone elses right to

smallfox1980 · 29/06/2016 09:01

The fact is that a 4% majority wouldn't be enough to pass a motion in the "undemocratic" EU that the brexiteers are so against. Why should we accept it here?

Oh that's right because democracy only matters to you sometimes.

TheElementsSong · 29/06/2016 09:09

I don't know why some MNetters are complaining about the referendum threads - it's actually the perfect hot button topic! Smile:

I run a small business mainly based on supplying widgets to larger companies. For this I invested in a large and expensive widget maker which requires special training to operate. My DSis has been telling me that she knows better than me how to run my business and operate my widget maker despite never having worked in this area, because her mate at the hairdresser said so. She won't listen when I explain the complexities because I'm just being fussy.

Last week, my DSis took control of the widget maker and now all the cogs have fallen out and the transistors have exploded. The companies I supply to are pissed off and finding alternative suppliers so my business is in trouble Sad and my employees may be out of a job.

DSis insists that it's not broken and is supposed to be shuddering like that. She also says that it's my fault it got broken because I didn't warn her enough not to meddle with it. Furthermore it's also my fault for not having a Plan (for how to make widgets) prepared in anticipation of her breaking the widget maker. And she says that the worst thing of all is that I shouted at her - she says I should just "get over it" and "accept what happened".

DSis says we just have to think positively and pull together to fix the widget maker, despite not having a clue what to do. Alternatively we could wait and see whether widgets can just make themselves, and they will be bigger and better than before. She says it doesn't matter that I have lost credibility with my main customers - I can just get some more. Therefore, I should thank her for breaking the widget maker, why am I so ungrateful.

I say "YOU BROKE IT, YOU OWN IT" Angry

AIBU?

lasttimeround · 29/06/2016 09:42

Maybe you could ask the planless leave leaders to get on with it and leave us to our dismay. We didn't want this.

corythatwas · 29/06/2016 10:00

If you do want something active to do and are in the right part of the country, a fascist march is scheduled for Southampton on Saturday 11 a.m.: as many of us as possible are turning up to protest against this racist presence in our city. Would be good to have a MN presence. Various groups meeting at the Bargate or outside Boots.

iwantadragon · 29/06/2016 10:54

How strange that people are moaning about the "grow a pair" seeing as it's usually very popular on mumsnet.

I know. That's why I used it.

I rarely hear it in RL Confused

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iwantadragon · 29/06/2016 10:58

Now my guess is the future in the EU is not good. The Euro is in a mess, if we had chosen Bremain we would have been forced to contribute (substantially) to another Greek bailout. Indeed why do you think Britain is wanted IN/, given we have never, after all, been a particularly easy coun try for the othr big players to work with? They want us in and are angry with us leaving because we are a NET CONTRIBUTOR. We put in more than we take out.

But getting back to the EU. Its in a mess unemployment is high, terrorism is growing, the migrant crisis is causing crime and anger. The people of the Eurozone are very unhappy. The French (people not elite) like the EU even less than we do. They have very high youth unemployment, immigrants camping at their northern ports and making life hell for the locals (caused in large part by Schhengen). If they were allowed a referendum they would almost certainly vote 'out' too.

And the 'migrant crisis'. If we stay in we will almost certainly be forced to take a share of the people Merkel so rashly invited. Even if we managed to avoid that, in five years time the current million plus will all have citizenship, and certainly a large proportion will take advantage of that to decamp to Britain. And more and more keep coming, the tide hasnt stopped and they are rarely sent home, jut released to head for Britain if an application fails.

So you see, its not so much that we are guaranteed a bright future taking back control of our country and our borders, as that we are facing a grim future if we don't. When the Titanic starts sinking do you say its such a great ship it will never sink, or do you jump into a lifeboat while you've got the chance, for sure as hell we wont get another one?

Agree Totally

Short term discomfort for long term gain, basically

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iwantadragon · 29/06/2016 11:04

Give it a rest with the insults about 'ignorant' leave voters it is tedious and is tarring 17.5 million adults with the same brush. I realise 50% of the polulation are below average intelligence but do not for a moment think they were all on the 'leave' side angry
surprised you have not managed to get in the 'oldies' jibe as well.
there could be not concrete plan on how to exit the EU because it is a process of negotiation not a 'quick exit'^

Well said Mollie.

Are people really that stupid.
The people who are performing disgusting racist acts have probably ALWAYS been like that.
This referendum hasn't caused more people to become racist. Those people were probably already racist to begin with.

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TheElementsSong · 29/06/2016 11:04

or do you jump into a lifeboat

Hell, yeah! You are so right! So where's the lifeboat Hmm?

smallfox1980 · 29/06/2016 11:07

Argh! We were granted the right not to contribute to Euro bail outs.

Therefore the rest of your post is utter drivel

You have the feeling?

Based on what fucking knowledge?

fullfact.org/europe/will-uk-pay-future-eurozone-bailouts/

"And the 'migrant crisis'. If we stay in we will almost certainly be forced to take a share of the people Merkel so rashly invited"

We have an opt out on all matters related to justice so this coudl't happen.

Jesus Christ you really know nothing about what you have just voted for do you.

We can't be "forced" to do anything, all you need is 4 other countries to back you in a vote and you will stop it from happening.

Again, you fundamentally misunderstand the way the EU works.

iwantadragon · 29/06/2016 11:08

a fascist march is scheduled for Southampton on Saturday 11 a.m

Yes, because stooping to their level is really the right way to go.

Worrying.

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sorenofthejnaii · 29/06/2016 11:12

This referendum hasn't caused more people to become racist. Those people were probably already racist to begin with

You sound like Farage did yesterday. Yes, the people were probably racist but it's out there now.

Elendon · 29/06/2016 11:12

I reckon about half those who voted exit did so so either as a protest vote against the government and for racist reasons. That's not a mandate for an issue that's so important to the future of this country.

It's a shambles.

sorenofthejnaii · 29/06/2016 11:13

And the 'migrant crisis'. If we stay in we will almost certainly be forced to take a share of the people Merkel so rashly invited

Migrants or refugees. What do you think?

flippinada · 29/06/2016 11:22

If we all need to pull our socks up, stiffen up our upper lips, straighten our spines and stop whinging, someone needs to let Sarah Vine (aka Mrs Gove) know because she's rather gone off message....

corythatwas · 29/06/2016 11:24

"And the 'migrant crisis'. If we stay in we will almost certainly be forced to take a share of the people Merkel so rashly invited. Even if we managed to avoid that, in five years time the current million plus will all have citizenship, and certainly a large proportion will take advantage of that to decamp to Britain. And more and more keep coming, the tide hasnt stopped and they are rarely sent home, jut released to head for Britain if an application fails."

So what do you suggest should happen to these people instead?

The vast majority of refugees come from Syria. They cannot stay in Syria because they are being bombed to death. This isn't about wanting to better themselves or enjoying an affluent Western lifestyle: an estimated 11.5% of the population of Syria has been wounded or killed, with an estimated death toll of 470 000, of which just under half are thought to be civilians, many of them small children. We are not the ones on the Titanic: they are. You can hardly blame them for trying to jump off if they possibly can.

Neighbouring countries are already crammed to bursting point (have you seen the size of Lebanon on the map?)

The other European countries are already taking far more than their fair share of refugees compared to the UK. (stats available on the BBC website)

There is a strong argument for suggesting that the destabilisation in the Middle East and the growth of fundamental Islamist groups is partly due to British intervention in the area (Iraqi war etc), much of which was strongly criticized at the time by the very same countries who are now having to deal with the greatest number of refugees.

This is a global crisis affecting all of Europe and the Middle East. So how do we justify the idea that we alone should not do our share?

We are a small country- unlike the Netherlands? Lebanon? Denmark?

We can't afford it- unlike Greece?

We are selfish bastards who don't care about the rest of the world- ah, that one might actually work.

corythatwas · 29/06/2016 11:27

iwantadragon Wed 29-Jun-16 11:08:39

"a fascist march is scheduled for Southampton on Saturday 11 a.m

Yes, because stooping to their level is really the right way to go.

Worrying."

??? Why is turning out in peaceful protest to show our support for the people targeted by racist abuse stooping to their level? What is wrong with showing the world that the majority of people in Southampton do not agree with fascist extremism and are happy to say so? I was not advocating getting into fights.

RainYourRottingMyDhaliaBulbs · 29/06/2016 11:31

Op sadly some of the posters on here seem to be wholly negative, ie seen on other threads about different topics spreading misery...this is a subject they can really rip with ...

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