We need to pull together, grow a pair and GET ON WITH IT!

[iwantadragon]

To listen to people talk, it seems we have turned into a nation of wimpy, whinging apologists.

''I'm so embarrassed''
''I'm so ashamed''
''I'm full of despair''
''I'm so sorry''
''My life is ruined'
''Please accept my apologies''

Stop bloody whinging and saying sorry.

How do you think this tail between the legs cowed talk makes us look to the rest of the world?
It's about time we all grew up, put on a united front and got on with things
Show everybody what we're really made of.

and breathe

In

In two months we will have seen the first job losses, we have already seen contracts lost, medical research has lost shit loads of funding, scientific communities are facing an uncertain future

Within two years this will look like a different country.

In ten years this country will be unrecognisable.

So fuck you very much OP but my whinging hasn't even started.

Re a plan any kind of plan.
www.economist.com/blogs/bagehot/2016/06/anarchy-uk

'On live television Faisal Islam, the political editor of SkyNews, was recounting a conversation with a pro-Brexit Conservative MP. “I said to him: ‘Where’s the plan? Can we see the Brexit plan now?’ [The MP replied:] ‘There is no plan. The Leave campaign don’t have a post-Brexit plan…Number 10 should have had a plan.’” The camera cut to Anna Botting, the anchor, horror chasing across her face. For a couple of seconds they were both silent, as the point sunk in. “Don’t know what to say to that, actually,” she replied, looking down at the desk. Then she cut to a commercial break.'

You leavers wanted this, you do it. Stop telling the rest of us to step to it. Your leaders have gone awol. Good job.

It's just unbelievable that people think a positive attitude is all that's required when you have vandalised our economy.

The people who need to stop whining and bickering and "grow a pair" are the politicians, as they're the ones in power and in the public eye. It's their job to handle this situation.

There is very little that the British public can do, in a practical sense (apart from speaking up against the increased incidents of racism). If people were rioting or something, that'd be different. People whining online won't make the slightest different one way or the other. It doesn't make us look weak. It's our politicians and their actions that make our country look weak.

The referendum has exposed painful truths about this country and how divided we are, and how unhappy a lot of people are. They projected their unhappiness at a fictional enemy. The government needs to work on fixing the inequalities and serious issues in this country, not turning "immigrants" or "Europe" into bogeymen and scapegoats. Because even if we do manage to negotiate a leave from the EU, even if somehow we do drastically curb immigration (which is mainly unrelated to Brexit) we'll still be left with all the same basic problems.

I really don't think you understand the enormity of what's just happened OP. We have every right to be angry for a very long time.

Problem round here (rural east), most people don't seem to want to talk about it. I've had friends who insist that they don't want to disclose which way they voted a la Jeremy Corbyn. Cue - uncomfortable silence. I think I am allowed to make an assumption if there is no denial. It was interesting that I made such an assumption she stated - Yes, I replied, wasn't it?

From two or three news sources:

P Morgan have also issued an interesting note on Brexit.

It predicts that David Cameron’s successor will ask MPs to vote on whether to Trigger Article 50 of the Lisbon Treaty, and implement the result of last week’s referendum.

They also expect that Britain will struggle to get many concessions out of the EU during the negotiations, and will end up with ‘curtailed’ access to Europe’s markets.

The note (which Ed Conway has tweet) also predicts that Scotland will break away from the UK, and implement a ‘new currency’

Thanks to the posters who have argued against the "think positive" drivel.

Fuck that 'wait and see' shit. I've not had to wait. I've seen racists being given a nudge and wink to carry on with their bile openly.

Don't you dare tell me to suck it up.

If article 50 isn't triggered what will happen?
I assume given the state of the relationship between the UK and the EU won't be good, so there's a good chance things will not just settle back to normal.

As far as I understand they can't force the trigger of Article 50 so I really don't know. Angela Merkel has said it would be impossible for us to stay in now, but if we were to brazen it out and refuse to pull the trigger, I don't know what would actually happen. We would obviously have very much angered a lot of people, but I don't think they can force us to leave.

There's no mechanism for members to eject one of their number. This is under heavy criticism atm - not only because of us, but because some members wanted to eject Greece. So they may gain the ability to chuck us out while we dither.

There is a provision for a misbehaving member to be put on ice.

TEU Article 7 provides for the suspension of certain rights of a member state if a member persistently breaches the EU's founding values (respect for human dignity, freedom, democracy, equality, the rule of law and respect for human rights, including the rights of persons belonging to minorities), outlined in TEU Article 2.

The European Council can vote to suspend any rights of membership, such as voting and representation as outlined above. Identifying the breach requires unanimity (excluding the state concerned), but sanctions require only a qualified majority.

The UK has just been heavily censured by the UN for human rights violations arising from 'austerity'.

Our referendum itself could be seen as a democratic violation, owing to the dishonesty with which it was conducted.

If this Article is triggered, the outcome would be more or less equivalent to EFTA membership: we keep paying and are subject to all laws & rules, but lose our votes and voices.

I'll just repeat that bit: The UK has just been heavily censured by the UN for human rights violations arising from 'austerity'.

My son's Polish friend told him the other day that he and his family are moving back to Poland because it's been made abundantly clear to them, via hate mail through their letter box, that they need to leave. He's 6 btw. I live in an affluent area among similarly affluent 'foreign' families, yet this is happening on my doorstep.

So do fuck off with your 'STFU, move on and unite' bollocks. You are massively underestimating and extremely dismissive of the very personal tragedies involved in this vote. We've not disagreed over what to eat for dinner ffs.

For my part, I am currently trying to organise a community event aimed at ensuring our immigrant friends knowing 'Everyone's Welcome'. What are you actively doing to try to salvage some kind of positivity from this mess op?

I don't want to forgive and forget. I don't want to unite with Leave supporters to try to make things better for this country. This country is broken beyond repair. I'm just biding my time until I can move back to my own country of Ireland, once my DS starts university, and I stop getting child maintenance, child benefit, child tax credits, free school meals, subsidised school trips and an exemption from paying for prescriptions or dental care. Obviously if any of that is cut or reduced, I'm going sooner.

Still no answers from the Leavers about what we're supposed to actually do? Just lots of 'it will be fine' etc? For anyone with an ounce of intelligence, that isn't a good enough answer. 'It' can really go either way and right now 'It' isn't looking too great.

That's awful LittleLion :( It's a lovely idea to organise an event so people realise that they are still welcome.

I wasn't sure from the title of the thread that OP was serious initially. What on earth are we supposed to be "pulling together" and what should we "get on" and do"?? What you really mean is "can you just forget that people who voted to leave have totally fucked up the UK so I will feel better". I will do all I can to make immigrants welcome (I work with many) but I'm not going to make those who got us into this mess feel better about themselves.

Lol creameggtheif, this country is broken. And you want to leave. But you can't leave this broken country on account of the child tax credits, child benefit, free prescriptions, NHS, etc etc....(which you don't get in Ireland)
I'm assuming your post is sarcastic or tongue in cheek at the very least?!

No it's not sarcastic at all, papayasareyum. I'm going to stay and get everything I am entitled to until my DS goes to university, when hopefully my low income will count in his favour to get the maximum loans he can for university, and then I'm off.

This country in voting as it has has betrayed every single person who is not a British citizen, as well as every economically disadvantaged British citizen and every British citizen who cares about the wider world.If it wasn't for my DS, who is a British citizen and in secondary school, I would be off tomorrow.

Even more so, in voting Leave, there has been NO thought or consideration for the people of Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland, where it's looking likely that the border will be reintroduced .

Worrying times creme

Just please leave us some creme eggs creme, we are going to need the sugar!

the problem OP, is that the remainers need to continue the negativity and screaming and demonstrating and doom mongering and raging to increase (they hope) the chance of a second referendum. They're doing quite an impressive 'job' thus far

The collective tantrum might work.

Pull together and stop starting more gf threads would be a start.
Perhaps the leave leaders need to pull together and come up with a plan.