Are leave voters happy with how this is playing out so far?

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Inpsired by Boris Johnson’s sister’s Tweet about people saying we are where we are but nobody having a clue where that is; which group of Leave voters are happy with how things are panning out?

From what I’ve seen the Leave voters seem to fall into these categories, in no particular order:-

1. People who heard nothing more than the word ‘immigration’ and voted based on all the borders being closed and every immigrant being deported on Friday
2. People who believed the nonsense touted by the Leave campaign about £350m for the NHS etc
3. People who voted as a protest to get their voice heard
4. People who believed leaving the EU was a good thing for their own spurious reasons (to get our own back for Eurovision, to get UK tomatoes, to not have to watch the Euros football, to stop the Germans stealing our sunbeds etc) but had no idea of the other consequences
5. People who truly believe we should not be governed by unelected bureaucrats in Brussels

Taking each group in turn, I can’t see how they have got what they want

1. Doesn’t even merit a response as it was such an appalling reason to vote
2. These have been proven to be lies as soon as the vote was over
3. This was a self defeating protest as it handed the control to the very people they were protesting against
4. Some of those people are now worried about job loses, the value of the pound, the drops in the stock market as they didn’t foresee that
5. There is no plan to get out of the EU- Boris seems to think we can have our cake and eat it but the EU aren’t having that

Is there another group of people who are genuinely happy with the way things are shaping up?

"It is not up to you, me, Boris, Fred down the road or any of the Leave side to have a plan, that they have absolutely no authority to implement because they are just a campaign group - they are not the Government."

Oh of course it's their job...if you expect a government to act on your wishes you should be able to give them a clear coherent plan of what your wishes are.

Or were you just thinking Mystic Clegg would tell the government what's wanted?

It is not up to you, me, Boris, Fred down the road or any of the Leave side to have a plan, that they have absolutely no authority to implement because they are just a campaign group - they are not the Government.

Wow. There you have it ^^

Those leading the Brexit campaign weren't expected to think about a thing, beyond 'let's leave the EU'....?

Are you serious?

I hope you don't apply that same logic to the opposition party (i.e. not the government) in the lead up to a GE!

They, also, should have every expectation of being electable on a wing and a prayer?

And you wonder why Remainers are incredulous and angry.

'Just a campaign group' - so did you know when you voted for them that they were utterly incompetent and had no ability to plan such a huge and complex undertaking? But you thought it would be ok because Cameron would have done that for them?

I don't hate Leave voters but they have made an enormous mistake that will make all of our futures palpably worse. Apparently only one Leave voter on Mumsnet voted Leave because of immigration and the rest of you all had some other very important reasons that you just can't quite articulate - oh, but you do have some catchy sound bites and funny nicknames for people like 'Dodgy Dave' and that is basically as good as facts and knowledge, right? But how dare you attempt to deny that immigration was a huge factor for the Leave vote across the country and that the racist attacks now happening are caused by racist Leave voters who believe that the immigrants will be forced to leave the country now? That is a direct consequence of this disastrous Leave campaign and the people responsible for it are washing their hands. So I'm not whipping up hatred of the Leave voters but I will use my democratic rights to speak up against them, do everything possible to have their foolish 'vision' implemented (which they are making easier by proving utterly incapable of implementing it themselves) and I will certainly continue to express my anger and horror at the stupidity into which they had led the country, on a tiny majority.

Leave voters are doing an excellent job now of humiliating themselves as they make it clear that they have no idea what they want or how to get it and that they are aligned with the most hateful and contemptible people in our society. Don't blame the Remainers for what you have all got so badly wrong. We did warn you. We didn't expect to have to do all your thinking for you as well.

This is just farcical & I am utterly disgusted with it all.

Yes remainers are angry. Can you blame them?
I really feel that many do not fully under the consequences of this vote. "It will be OK, BrItrain is Great, we just need to untie & get in with it"

NO! !!!!!

At 1'st I thought we need to accept, thus is Democracy.

But then the OBVIOUS started haopening & the lies got exposes for what they are. The Leave campaign & many of their supporters and National Press brought so much hate to the campaign that Remain voters did not get a chance to voice their opinions! They got shot down!

BUT i cannot accept this vote. It was not democratic as the LEAVE campaign were criminal in their lies (not saying Remain were well behaved but theirs were more exaggerations than downright lies).

At thus moment my children's lives are more imortarant than Democracy.

We need another say!! And we need to UNDO this disaster then deal with the ecinimical consequences the ĹEAVE voters have created

Let's just say we made a mistake. Let's get Regional Assemblies in place in English regions to give people a voice.

Let's get some social housing built & get OUR young people (&yes I mean OUR) young people working on these sites getting trained up. Let's spend money bringing new jobs and regeneration to the poor areas who voted Leave. Let's sort out NHS, & build new schools (not Free schools)
Let's make things better for leave. The hold another referendum in say 10 years & see what result is.

Yes I know we don't really have the money, but we'll still he better off spending thos money than leaving the EU

This is the way we can make our country Great again.

they are just a campaign group - they are not the Government.

Ladies and gentlemen, I give you Dominic Cummings, campaign manager for the Leavd campaign. This is his argument. The Leave campaign weren't serious, this was just an Oxford debating club exercise for them to see if they could win the argument.

No one expected Farage to have a plan, he's clearly a joke politician. But Gove, Johnson, IDS? Them signing up to a campaign who didn't have a plan in order to be able to win the argument (yes, this is Dominic's reasoning), just shows them to be the vacuum of morals we always knew they were. Up to the government? They are the government, people could reasonably expect them to act like people charged with the care of the country rather than chancers along for a ride.

Dominic Cummings is an odious shitbag who has sold the country to win a debate, and the leave team shackled up with racists to help him.

Luckymummy that is a great solution and if there's a way we could do that is be behind it 100%. It seems that there's no going back now.

Fuck me, anyone could be forgiven for thinking that the Leavers had voted for the Apocalypse or something. There are perfectly good and sensible reasons to Leave the EU which have been addressed and laid out numerous times. I'm quite capable of reading, understanding and sympathising with the argument to remain, so why they choose to pretend they don't comprehend the opposite argument is baffling. It's almost as though they're excited for the arrival of Armageddon because it will prove they were right.

I wouldn't feel like Armaggedon was quite so imminent if the Leave campaign had someone at the head explaining this case clearly and how they plan to implement it. It's the floundering and bewilderment that makes me think it's all a disaster. No one with that rational case is actually stepping up and explaining how it's going to happen and why this will be beneficial. They lied in their campaign. They seem incapable of going forwards now. I'm not excited about the turmoil, I'd like it to be averted - so the Leavers need to come up with a plan and stop blaming the Remainers for not doing it for them!

Sensible reasons to leave the EU isn't the same as a plan for how to do it. There are plenty of sensible reasons to stay in the EU.

If people knew that in order to leave the EU, the plan was to destroy the United Kingdom, then they might have been a bit more hesitant. That's why there was no plan, because the crapness of the plan just might have outweighed the sensible reasons in people's head. A vague thought of 'it'll be fine in ten years' is far more comforting than having to confront actual facts.

I'm truly at the number of people who think DC should have had a plan to leave- he didn't want to Leave.

The business analogy up thread is just bollocks- people in business resign all the time if the company is no longer moving in a direction they agree with.

Even if you're delusional enough to convince yourself that DC should have had a plan, that doesn't excuse the Leave side not having one.

BJ went backwards on immigration on Monday and pretty much said it was business as usual yet DC told Brussels we voted to Leave as immigration was such an issue and we wouldn't accept free trade without restriction on immigration.

The fact that DC's threats are laughable now as we are not in a position of strength is overshadowed by the fact he directly contradicts Boris' most recent statement and no one has a fucking clue where we will end up.

apocalypse or something sounds not too far off the mark to me.

Springing If anyone has been abused for any reason, that is wrong. But this Schrodinger's Brexiter thing is just pathetic. Are you the comprehensive Majority of Lion-Hearted Britons whose Time Has Come and who will Show The World what Our Plucky Nation can Achieve? Or are you the downtrodden oppressed Victims, so busy cowering that you can't spare a moment to think of anything else (like, say, a Plan for where we are going)?

Looks like the EU got rid of the old British stiff upper lip. Just look at how the remain camp are acting?

And the referendum didn't hand a mandate to anyone to do anything. It asked our opinion. But the mandate was handed to government when they were elected, to do what they believe is best for the country. Most MPs believe remaining was best. So if anything, this mandate could be to keep us in the UK. They asked our opinion in an advisory referendum, but they never had to implement it.

Fgs, David Cameron was as incapable of coming up with a plan as anyone else, because it's impossible to satisfy all leave voters with their totally conflicting demands. Leave should not have promised the world when all they could offer was shit.

Grow up speakergirl this isn't a game.

What's your Brexit vision?

Yeah, remainders are such bad losers. I mean, why won't they just stand by and say nothing when people across the country, including kids, are experiencing increased racial hatred as a result of the vote. And when companies are planing moves out of the UK into Europe (Nissan, for example, costing all those working class British jobs we wanted to protect), or are pulling out of deals (the steel works in Port Talbot has been sent right down the toilet by this vote as the company that was going to buy them and secure jobs for all those workers has pulled out). Why don't they just shut up when a campaign was based on lies, admitted by the key campaigners within hours of the vote. Why do you need truth anyway?
I cannot see any reason for remainers to carry on moaning...

There are perfectly good and sensible reasons to Leave the EU which have been addressed and laid out numerous times

What noblegiraffe said. Yes, yes, we got the message - you voted leave because Reasons (except never immigration or because you believed the £350 million) which show how deep and profound a thinker you are. Well done! You truly are a fine person of superior intellect. Here's that pat on the back you so clearly wanted, although why you'd seek the approval of mere mortals is beyond me.

But! What! Is! The! Plan! Now!

It shouldn't be a difficult or scary question for those brave and clever enough to vote Leave, should it?

Now? Well things are either going to get better or worse. If better then good for us. If things get worse then enjoy the decline

Daily Mail link but she writes for them and this is fucking terrifying

Another Leave voter! Welcome speakergirl! Are you here to tell us what your plan is?

Will it be any of the following: You're sore losers, shut up, you're the minority, stop oppressing us, it's not our fault it's yours, nothing is happening, let's all work together, positive thoughts or it's somebody else's job to make it happen? Have I missed anything?

Come on, show us an example of Leave's brilliant original thoughts

Which element of the Leave camp is setting such a fine example of how to behave, speaker? Is it the floundering and incompetence? Is it the lying and the backtracking? Is it the regret and the bleating about protest votes that they never imagined would count? Or the racist attacks around the country from the Leavers who thought they were voting to get rid of immigrants?

In reality I think both sides know how it's going to go. Free trade within EU will REMAIN. Status quo on immigraction will REMAIN. Veto will LEAVE. Seat at the table to influence policy will LEAVE. Scotland will LEAVE. So I guess being pragmatic the leave voters have indeed gained a huge victory, Now we all get to share the prize

The Banking passport into the EU will leave and with it the bankers, their taxes and the main driver of our economy. And all the people in other businesses that they support. Car sales, house sales etc. All good Tax generating stuff will go. And so "Austerity 2 - the revenge" will start by the Tories. I can't wait, where's the popcorn?

Well done Leave voters - so far your 'plan' seems to consist of the 'worst' of both worlds. By 'worst', I mean things you lot consider worse, i.e. no change to immigration, and no extra money for the NHS. Along with those things we consider worse - break-up of the Union, loss of trade deals, loss of influence and loss of veto.

Nice one. Well done. You guys are on it.

It's almost as though they're excited for the arrival of Armageddon because it will prove they were right

I agree, many remainers are giving off that sort of vibe!