Are leave voters happy with how this is playing out so far?

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Inpsired by Boris Johnson’s sister’s Tweet about people saying we are where we are but nobody having a clue where that is; which group of Leave voters are happy with how things are panning out?

From what I’ve seen the Leave voters seem to fall into these categories, in no particular order:-

1. People who heard nothing more than the word ‘immigration’ and voted based on all the borders being closed and every immigrant being deported on Friday
2. People who believed the nonsense touted by the Leave campaign about £350m for the NHS etc
3. People who voted as a protest to get their voice heard
4. People who believed leaving the EU was a good thing for their own spurious reasons (to get our own back for Eurovision, to get UK tomatoes, to not have to watch the Euros football, to stop the Germans stealing our sunbeds etc) but had no idea of the other consequences
5. People who truly believe we should not be governed by unelected bureaucrats in Brussels

Taking each group in turn, I can’t see how they have got what they want

1. Doesn’t even merit a response as it was such an appalling reason to vote
2. These have been proven to be lies as soon as the vote was over
3. This was a self defeating protest as it handed the control to the very people they were protesting against
4. Some of those people are now worried about job loses, the value of the pound, the drops in the stock market as they didn’t foresee that
5. There is no plan to get out of the EU- Boris seems to think we can have our cake and eat it but the EU aren’t having that

Is there another group of people who are genuinely happy with the way things are shaping up?

I agree, many remainers are giving off that sort of vibe!

Hello GlassBrexiteer! Shall I put you down for ^

What are leavers excited for the arrival of?

Apart from 'leaving the EU'?

Anyone want to start?

If you want us to be positive, give us stuff to be positive about. Oh, and it's got to be stuff that will definitely happen, not visions.

Hello TheElements!
are there any other options?

As Papaya says:
'There are perfectly good and sensible reasons to Leave the EU which have been addressed and laid out numerous times. I'm quite capable of reading, understanding and sympathising with the argument to remain, so why they choose to pretend they don't comprehend the opposite argument is baffling'

And yes, the way the remain side is painting iit you would think that brexiters have voted for the Apocalypse!

Could someone explain - or even just state so I can google - the good and sensible reasons to leave the EU? It's too late now, of course, but I listened to debate and read a lot before the vote and I didn't hear any expressed. It was all about our contribution and immigration. So one inaccurate stuff about lack of democracy and lack of accounts also came up. Nothing approaching a good reason. Shouldn't these reasons be at the heart of The Plan?

Disappointing, Glass. You missed the posts responding to that saying reasons are all well and good but if the plan is shit (or non-existent), then reasons have to take a back seat, especially as there are plenty of reasons to not leave....and a plan!

Just thought of another option, Glass! "Swerve the question entirely" HTH

What question did I swerve TheElements?

The Plan. What is The Plan?

Giraffes, the govt is at fault for not having a proper plan in the event of a leave vote

Are Johnson, Gove and IDS not in the government then?

Oh they are. They should have had a plan.

"It's not our fault, it's yours"

FFS how hard is this to understand. It is the responsibility of the group campaigning for something to happen to have a clear plan for how that thing might come to pass.

Otherwise the campaigners can make ridiculous claims like 'puppies for all' in the full knowledge that there aren't enough puppies to go around and claim it's not their problem when they win, the other side should have a plan to source the puppies.

Which is what has happened, and bizarrely people seem to think that's acceptable behaviour from elected people in charge of running the country.

Do people think that having a referendum in the first place was a good idea? I mean, if the consequences of a Brexit are completely disastrous, why gamble? I think we can all agree that our politicians, and many in Brussels, have let us down equally in how this has been approached and how it continues to be handled.

Do people think that having a referendum in the first place was a good idea?

No, I think it was a bloody awful idea. The EU is far from perfect - no large organization can be. But the issues surrounding EU membership, what it means to be In or Out, the effects on our economy and society - these are questions too complex to be addressed by the general public. I mean all the general public, including me. Anyone who thought the question could be reduced to a simple Yes/No and a few sound bites is a fucking fool or a charlatan. This entire bloody mess is a giant, monstrous and hideous manifestation of the Dunning-Kruger Effect.

I will never forgive the Tory party for turning their pathetic internal spat into a national crisis. Not that I would ever have voted for the bastards anyway.

noblegiraffe bizarrely people seem to think that's acceptable behaviour from elected people in charge of running the country I know what you're saying, but people didn't vote for Cameron v Johnson, Boris isn't in charge (yet), what exactly is he supposed to be doing? It's a process, a series of negotiations, they will have an idea of what they want but until negotiations begin. To use the moving house analogy, what's just happened is that the public have said that they want to move, that's all! What happens next is the start of the house moving process, and that's not something that happens in a few days!

And to think I laughed when everyone started packing their OFRS.

Maybe if we feed them brains they'll go away and sort out a plan while we get on with being miserable, worried and stunned.

I will never forgive the Tory party for turning their pathetic internal spat into a national crisis. Not that I would ever have voted for the bastards anyway.

Well at least we can agree on that, Elements

the public have said that they want to move

When you say you want to move and somebody asks you where to, is it normal to say "I don't know, anywhere but here! You decide, and sort it all out for me."

It's a process, a series of negotiations, they will have an idea of what they want but until negotiations begin. To use the moving house analogy, what's just happened is that the public have said that they want to move, that's all!

In that case, why should the government have a plan either?

If you're arguing that the Leavers shouldn't have had a plan because too much was unknown, then that goes for the government too.

In which case you've just admitted that vote Leave was a vote for 'wahey, why not, let's see what happens!'

Elements It's normal to have a rough idea, yes. Not a specific address

caitlin The Leave vote is made up of a whole spectrum of completely baseless fantasies of what New Britain will look like! Apart from the common ground of "Run away from the Baddies, but really slowly", I put it to you that Leave have no consensus on where the fuck they want us to go.

Giraffes, the govt is at fault for not having a proper plan in the event of a leave vote

Honestly, stop it, you're embarrassing yourself, and I dare say there are a fair few Leavers cringing, as you do nothing but confirm in Remainers' minds that you lot don't have the first clue.

noblegiraffe I think it would have been impossible for either side to have had a rigid 'Plan' when so much now depends on negotiations that could not have begun until after the vote. I haven't said otherwise. All that anyone could really do was make sure that there was money in the banks (which Osborne has done) and some stability in Westminster (which they haven't done). It's the latter that is the real problem now.

I put it to you that Leave have no consensus on where the fuck they want us to go That's pretty accurate. Leave was not a political party, I would be very surprised if they suddenly all agreed with each other. The same would have happened with Remain. Had Remain won, would Corbyn and Cameron suddenly agree on their vision of the future either?

Otherwise the campaigners can make ridiculous claims like 'puppies for all'

To be fair some on the Leave side did campaign for no more foreign-breed puppies so they didn't completely ignore the puppies issue.