Are leave voters happy with how this is playing out so far?

[Bearbehind]

Inpsired by Boris Johnson’s sister’s Tweet about people saying we are where we are but nobody having a clue where that is; which group of Leave voters are happy with how things are panning out?

From what I’ve seen the Leave voters seem to fall into these categories, in no particular order:-

1. People who heard nothing more than the word ‘immigration’ and voted based on all the borders being closed and every immigrant being deported on Friday
   
2. People who believed the nonsense touted by the Leave campaign about £350m for the NHS etc
   
3. People who voted as a protest to get their voice heard
   
4. People who believed leaving the EU was a good thing for their own spurious reasons (to get our own back for Eurovision, to get UK tomatoes, to not have to watch the Euros football, to stop the Germans stealing our sunbeds etc) but had no idea of the other consequences
   
5. People who truly believe we should not be governed by unelected bureaucrats in Brussels
   
   Taking each group in turn, I can’t see how they have got what they want
   
   
6. Doesn’t even merit a response as it was such an appalling reason to vote
   
7. These have been proven to be lies as soon as the vote was over
   
8. This was a self defeating protest as it handed the control to the very people they were protesting against
   
9. Some of those people are now worried about job loses, the value of the pound, the drops in the stock market as they didn’t foresee that
   
10. There is no plan to get out of the EU- Boris seems to think we can have our cake and eat it but the EU aren’t having that
    
    Is there another group of people who are genuinely happy with the way things are shaping up?

[thecook]

Very happy.

[DeloresJaneUmbridge]

Not a Leave voter and so far its a shambles.

Pretty much as I expected it to be.

We are a laughing stock across the world and the only people celebrating are the far right.

Fabulous innit?

[TheElementsSong]

But the sun still rises, and life carries on. Proving ......?

Well if that's your criterion for a successful Brexit then we'll be grand for at least 3 billion years It's ok everyone, we've been worrying for nothing!

leave the EU and do what we want to do
Sweet! So what is it that we all want to do? Or let's lower the bar a bit - what is it, apart from "Leave the EU" do all the 52% want to do?

[roundaboutthetown]

They couldn't make plans because they knew they couldn't get a majority vote unless they galvanised people with conflicting wishes and interests to vote to leave. Now they know they can't carry out the wishes of "the people," because "the people" all want something different. It would take a real idiot not to have noticed that before the vote. Democracy indicates we should now have a general election as quickly as possible to decide who gets to negotiate us out. Except, of course, the electorate has become unpredictable and that would probably result in more chaos and turmoil and a fantastic platform for the rise of extremist parties of all descriptions. Still, democracy is the most important thing, isn't it?

[tabulahrasa]

"You can leave a marriage for something that didn't exist before!"

People usually don't though, they organise somewhere else to live, pack their stuff or make plans to collect it, that sort of thing. Quite a lot of people get legal advise too.

Unless it has to be a secret because of abuse of course.

But everyone knew when the referendum was, there was plenty of time to make plans.

[Peregrina]

You can leave a marriage for something that didn't exist before!
But with the exception of Princess Diana, there are only two people in a marriage. In this case we have got to divorce 27.

Some people do say that they regret getting divorced when they find out how difficult it is afterwards. It must depend on how bad the marriage was. Was our marriage with the rest of the EU so bad, that we had to want out at any cost?

[BMW6]

lazy of course you can vote for something that doesn't exist!

You can leave a marriage for something that didn't exist before! You don't know what your future will be - but you do know that you don't want to be with that person anymore.

It's the same thing - we were in a legally binding relationship/partnership that we no longer want to continue.

Why is this so difficult to understand?

[SpringingIntoAction]

How can you vote for something that doesn't exist?

Oh dear ,shakes head and walks away slowly>

The referendum needed to be about 2 clear options, not 1 clear option and a load of hopes.

It was a) stay in the EU and let them tell us hat to do b) leave the EU and do what we want to do

I don't agree that this is democracy in action.
So a ballot of 33,000,000 people is not democracy?

It was propaganda only, which is why our parliament is in meltdown.

Our Parliament is not in meltdown. Our Government and Opposition is.

Our Government is in meltdown because our lying Prime Minister said that if he lost the vote he would trigger Article 50 and continue to be Prime Minster.
Guess what lying Dave did - he failed to trigger Brexit and is limping on for a few more months until his successor van be found, leaving the country in a state of uncertainty.
It will guarantee that he goes down on history as the worst PM ever.

As for propaganda - did I miss Osborne's 'Next day emergency budget"? Thought not

[roundaboutthetown]

Yeah, great idea - get out of Europe when we have no leadership in place to replace it. Has nobody noticed before that our national politicians haven't governed effectively for donkey's years - no decisions on airports, running out of viable power stations, totally lopsided economy which effectively means we are governed by the City and press barons who tell our politicians what to do, crumbling infrastructure, and an electorate whose varied opinions are largely ignored. What on earth was anyone doing voting for major change when these are the people being asked to carry it out? And even if they weren't all such a useless shower, we are not a united country. If it's time for the EU to break apart, surely it is just as logical to argue for the break up of the dis-United Kingdom? It won't help us economically, but clearly it's the right thing to do, on the same logic? Why hold together something that isn't working?

[Brexit]

But the sun still rises, and life carries on.

Proving ......?

[lazysummer]

How can you vote for something that doesn't exist?
The referendum needed to be about 2 clear options, not 1 clear option and a load of hopes.
I don't agree that this is democracy in action. It was propaganda only, which is why our parliament is in meltdown.

[aaahhhBump]

No, really not.

I accept the result is what the majority of UK voters seem to have wanted.

Voters remorse is useless.

I am angry at the lack of planning and fore thought of the UK government regardless of the result. There should have been some procedure in place.

This absolute crap now being spouted by our zombie PM regarding attempts to negotiate further consesions from Europe.

We've been left in a vacuum with no leadership from the cabinet or the shadow cabinet.

It looks like the people we have elected only last year have decided to string this all out for as long as possible and it really wouldn't surprise me if Article 50 is never enacted. The UK in the end is put out of Europe for the only reason a country can be removed from Europe. For not respecting democracy.

The country voted.

I don't agree with the result but respect it.

The UK government should too and act on it rather than this limbo.

[lazysummer]

realises not realise

[bkgirl]

Glad I voted leave. 100% happy with the result. I honestly think it was a massive vote for democracy and anti war. I also think although a number of idiotic, cruel and hateful incidents have happened that are racist and yes a small amount of racists have been empowered. That is sickening.On the whole I think by controlling immigration we can keep our society largely tolerant. All those rights fought for by women can be maintained, our gay children can have rights and our kids can wear what they want. Little girls can get an education. Any immigration has to be balanced to keep this lovely secular society we have going. I don't give a toot what religion or colour of the skin anyone has, it's just not relevant. What I would like to see is people complaining/seeking to stop FGM as vociferously and they have defended city traders and their deals in the EU. I would like to see forced marriage of 13 years olds not swept under the carpet in case it upsets sensibilities. I even want to see all churches and secret societies and their connections to child abuse highlighted. In short lets stop being pc neoliberal for the sake of being trendy and lets apply laws properly so all children from every society is protected. I think most people in our society value immigration and the immigrants I know value their life here as being tolerant. By controlling it we can keep a society that whether you are English, Irish, Indian, Polish, French Sunni Shia catholic, Protestant Buddist , jewish, mormon or whatever - it's fine. We do not need millions of ANY group that will be extreme against another causing hatred. Let immigration continue at whatever rate - as long as it's balanced by all groups who are warned they have to uphold the law - I cannot see any problem. This balance to continue our tolerance and emancipation can only be achieved with controls. Other societies are simply not as tolerant as the UK.

[lazysummer]

I make no apologies for being a firm Remainer.
I find it incredible that Leave voters were sold a halcyon vision of the future- free trade but full control of our borders. David Cameron is as much to blame as anyone else. He should have checked the small print before he gave the country a choice.
The Leave promises do not exist, as Johnson realise but doesn't have the guts to admit.
In addition, Leave voters wanted to be fully governed by our own elected and trusted politicians at Westminster. Really?

[BMW6]

Oh dear fake - she sounds like a Nihilist. I'd let her get on with it if I were you - each to their own, and all that!
If things don't go sufficiently apocolyptic for her cheer her up with how antibiotics are no longer viable so we'll all die from stupid minor injuries...... that should keep her happy for the rest of her (regrettably short since she pricked her finger on a rusty needle) life........

[Peregrina]

She's delighted with how it's all playing out, can't wait for a recession because it'll serve everyone right.

I wonder if it will affect her, and if it does, whether she will still be dancing with delight?

It reminds me of the Woman on Question time complaining about the Working Tax Credits, who had voted Tory and felt betrayed. They had said that they would cut benefits, but people didn't realise it was their benefits that were in line. No, it was the benefits of those vast hoards of people who never work, and came from families where no one had worked for generations, etc., etc.

[SpringingIntoAction]

There are oddballs on both sides.

I had one Remain chap, purple with rage, thumping the table because he wanted the UK to hand itself over to Japan in contrition for having dropped the H bombs on it in WW2.

[fakenamefornow]

You've missed a group from your list.

I have a relative who voted leave because she hates the government and just about everybody else. She knew leave would be a disaster and is now dancing around the flames. She's delighted with how it's all playing out, can't wait for a recession because it'll serve everyone right.

[noblegiraffe]

People on here were moaning about poverty and austerity for years before the referendum. So things were not brilliant then. At least now we will know who to blame.

The people who voted Leave? They get a bit touchy about that sort of thing IME.

[BMW6]

Thanks Everything. So pleasant to be able to agree even if our vote differed!

We are an odd lot (as a Nation). You'd think that Europe was hundreds of miles away and not - what is it, 20 odd miles away at it's closest point?
I think Bill Bryson expressed it brilliantly in the opening chapter of "Notes from a Small Island". (Recommended read).

[SpringingIntoAction]

'Remainian'? Is that a thing? Oh dear

Think of it as a term of endearment.

Us Leavers get called far worse

[TheElementsSong]

Remainstream media

LOLS

[MitzyLeFrouf]

Remainstream?

When will the portmanteau word abuse end?

[Asprilla11]

Oh and I forgot to say, yes it's big changes and frightening to some, but sometimes big changes bring big rewards.