Are leave voters happy with how this is playing out so far?

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Inpsired by Boris Johnson’s sister’s Tweet about people saying we are where we are but nobody having a clue where that is; which group of Leave voters are happy with how things are panning out?

From what I’ve seen the Leave voters seem to fall into these categories, in no particular order:-

1. People who heard nothing more than the word ‘immigration’ and voted based on all the borders being closed and every immigrant being deported on Friday
2. People who believed the nonsense touted by the Leave campaign about £350m for the NHS etc
3. People who voted as a protest to get their voice heard
4. People who believed leaving the EU was a good thing for their own spurious reasons (to get our own back for Eurovision, to get UK tomatoes, to not have to watch the Euros football, to stop the Germans stealing our sunbeds etc) but had no idea of the other consequences
5. People who truly believe we should not be governed by unelected bureaucrats in Brussels

Taking each group in turn, I can’t see how they have got what they want

1. Doesn’t even merit a response as it was such an appalling reason to vote
2. These have been proven to be lies as soon as the vote was over
3. This was a self defeating protest as it handed the control to the very people they were protesting against
4. Some of those people are now worried about job loses, the value of the pound, the drops in the stock market as they didn’t foresee that
5. There is no plan to get out of the EU- Boris seems to think we can have our cake and eat it but the EU aren’t having that

Is there another group of people who are genuinely happy with the way things are shaping up?

The Five Presidents Report sets out the aims of the EU as total union ultimately
superstate with an unaccountable government
the antithesis of democracy and freedom
the epitome of dystopia

BMW6 I am a Remainer but I fully agree with your pov.

This is also the reason why, IMO, people voted Leave. There was no interest (apart from a basic financial one), no involvement, no dream about Europe.
Even when peole are talking about going away on hols, they say they are going to Europe. Europe? But you are in Europe. Nope in the mind of most people.
It's a far cry from what you would hear in 'Europe' where people do feel European.
It's also the reason why there has never been one good word said abot Europe. Not from any PM, not in the news. Never.

Glass they can set out what they want but its the people at the end of the day.

I am reading reports that actually NL are close to Nexit, as are many other EU countries.
i cant imagine how vulnerable their citizens feel right now. With the EU doing jack to help them.

Its a disorganised mess and I cant understand the mind set of wanting to be part of it.

Everytime I hear or see Vile Juncker I just think of corrupt equally brutish Seb Blatter.

I adore Europe I just don't want to be politically aligned with it in such a grotesque way.

Because the EU is going to face further discontent from at least 2 other countries who will want to leave unless there is radical reform.

So the EU will reform or they will refuse and once 1 more, possibly 2 decide to leave then the whole thing will collapse.

If they reform they will have to stop pushing austerity on to countries that can't take it, they will have to stop favouring Eurozone countries, they will have to relax restrictions on rules regarding trade. They will have to stop the way the whole EU Parliment is run, with cost cutting and staff reduction a major factor. Finally they will have to speed up decisions and laws and trades which sometimes have dragged on for years.

If it collapses, then each country will have an opportunity to think about reverting back to their own currency. Ability to use what they paid in EU membership fees for projects which they know will help their country first. Finally the ability to look for trade deals that more beneficial to their country, with perhaps less conditions attached that aren't useful to them.

to continue to do so it will need to set up a new one with the UK once we are no longer part of the EU. As will every other country who currently trades with us through EU wide agreements.

This is why you are a Remainer - you totally fail to understand that it is possible to trade without a trade deal. We don't have a trade deal with America yet we trade with it quite happily, and it with us.

Much of the Remainian grief-fest is just parrotting nonsense from the Remainstream media and uninfomed Facebook sites.

'Remainian'? Is that a thing? Oh dear.

Oh and I forgot to say, yes it's big changes and frightening to some, but sometimes big changes bring big rewards.

Remainstream?

When will the portmanteau word abuse end?

Remainstream media

LOLS

'Remainian'? Is that a thing? Oh dear

Think of it as a term of endearment.

Us Leavers get called far worse

Thanks Everything. So pleasant to be able to agree even if our vote differed!

We are an odd lot (as a Nation). You'd think that Europe was hundreds of miles away and not - what is it, 20 odd miles away at it's closest point?
I think Bill Bryson expressed it brilliantly in the opening chapter of "Notes from a Small Island". (Recommended read).

People on here were moaning about poverty and austerity for years before the referendum. So things were not brilliant then. At least now we will know who to blame.

The people who voted Leave? They get a bit touchy about that sort of thing IME.

You've missed a group from your list.

I have a relative who voted leave because she hates the government and just about everybody else. She knew leave would be a disaster and is now dancing around the flames. She's delighted with how it's all playing out, can't wait for a recession because it'll serve everyone right.

There are oddballs on both sides.

I had one Remain chap, purple with rage, thumping the table because he wanted the UK to hand itself over to Japan in contrition for having dropped the H bombs on it in WW2.

She's delighted with how it's all playing out, can't wait for a recession because it'll serve everyone right.

I wonder if it will affect her, and if it does, whether she will still be dancing with delight?

It reminds me of the Woman on Question time complaining about the Working Tax Credits, who had voted Tory and felt betrayed. They had said that they would cut benefits, but people didn't realise it was their benefits that were in line. No, it was the benefits of those vast hoards of people who never work, and came from families where no one had worked for generations, etc., etc.

Oh dear fake - she sounds like a Nihilist. I'd let her get on with it if I were you - each to their own, and all that!
If things don't go sufficiently apocolyptic for her cheer her up with how antibiotics are no longer viable so we'll all die from stupid minor injuries...... that should keep her happy for the rest of her (regrettably short since she pricked her finger on a rusty needle) life........

I make no apologies for being a firm Remainer.
I find it incredible that Leave voters were sold a halcyon vision of the future- free trade but full control of our borders. David Cameron is as much to blame as anyone else. He should have checked the small print before he gave the country a choice.
The Leave promises do not exist, as Johnson realise but doesn't have the guts to admit.
In addition, Leave voters wanted to be fully governed by our own elected and trusted politicians at Westminster. Really?

Glad I voted leave. 100% happy with the result. I honestly think it was a massive vote for democracy and anti war. I also think although a number of idiotic, cruel and hateful incidents have happened that are racist and yes a small amount of racists have been empowered. That is sickening.On the whole I think by controlling immigration we can keep our society largely tolerant. All those rights fought for by women can be maintained, our gay children can have rights and our kids can wear what they want. Little girls can get an education. Any immigration has to be balanced to keep this lovely secular society we have going. I don't give a toot what religion or colour of the skin anyone has, it's just not relevant. What I would like to see is people complaining/seeking to stop FGM as vociferously and they have defended city traders and their deals in the EU. I would like to see forced marriage of 13 years olds not swept under the carpet in case it upsets sensibilities. I even want to see all churches and secret societies and their connections to child abuse highlighted. In short lets stop being pc neoliberal for the sake of being trendy and lets apply laws properly so all children from every society is protected. I think most people in our society value immigration and the immigrants I know value their life here as being tolerant. By controlling it we can keep a society that whether you are English, Irish, Indian, Polish, French Sunni Shia catholic, Protestant Buddist , jewish, mormon or whatever - it's fine. We do not need millions of ANY group that will be extreme against another causing hatred. Let immigration continue at whatever rate - as long as it's balanced by all groups who are warned they have to uphold the law - I cannot see any problem. This balance to continue our tolerance and emancipation can only be achieved with controls. Other societies are simply not as tolerant as the UK.

realises not realise

No, really not.

I accept the result is what the majority of UK voters seem to have wanted.

Voters remorse is useless.

I am angry at the lack of planning and fore thought of the UK government regardless of the result. There should have been some procedure in place.

This absolute crap now being spouted by our zombie PM regarding attempts to negotiate further consesions from Europe.

We've been left in a vacuum with no leadership from the cabinet or the shadow cabinet.

It looks like the people we have elected only last year have decided to string this all out for as long as possible and it really wouldn't surprise me if Article 50 is never enacted. The UK in the end is put out of Europe for the only reason a country can be removed from Europe. For not respecting democracy.

The country voted.

I don't agree with the result but respect it.

The UK government should too and act on it rather than this limbo.

How can you vote for something that doesn't exist?
The referendum needed to be about 2 clear options, not 1 clear option and a load of hopes.
I don't agree that this is democracy in action. It was propaganda only, which is why our parliament is in meltdown.

But the sun still rises, and life carries on.

Proving ......?

Yeah, great idea - get out of Europe when we have no leadership in place to replace it. Has nobody noticed before that our national politicians haven't governed effectively for donkey's years - no decisions on airports, running out of viable power stations, totally lopsided economy which effectively means we are governed by the City and press barons who tell our politicians what to do, crumbling infrastructure, and an electorate whose varied opinions are largely ignored. What on earth was anyone doing voting for major change when these are the people being asked to carry it out? And even if they weren't all such a useless shower, we are not a united country. If it's time for the EU to break apart, surely it is just as logical to argue for the break up of the dis-United Kingdom? It won't help us economically, but clearly it's the right thing to do, on the same logic? Why hold together something that isn't working?

How can you vote for something that doesn't exist?

Oh dear ,shakes head and walks away slowly>

The referendum needed to be about 2 clear options, not 1 clear option and a load of hopes.

It was a) stay in the EU and let them tell us hat to do b) leave the EU and do what we want to do

I don't agree that this is democracy in action.
So a ballot of 33,000,000 people is not democracy?

It was propaganda only, which is why our parliament is in meltdown.

Our Parliament is not in meltdown. Our Government and Opposition is.

Our Government is in meltdown because our lying Prime Minister said that if he lost the vote he would trigger Article 50 and continue to be Prime Minster.
Guess what lying Dave did - he failed to trigger Brexit and is limping on for a few more months until his successor van be found, leaving the country in a state of uncertainty.
It will guarantee that he goes down on history as the worst PM ever.

As for propaganda - did I miss Osborne's 'Next day emergency budget"? Thought not