Are leave voters happy with how this is playing out so far?

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Inpsired by Boris Johnson’s sister’s Tweet about people saying we are where we are but nobody having a clue where that is; which group of Leave voters are happy with how things are panning out?

From what I’ve seen the Leave voters seem to fall into these categories, in no particular order:-

1. People who heard nothing more than the word ‘immigration’ and voted based on all the borders being closed and every immigrant being deported on Friday
2. People who believed the nonsense touted by the Leave campaign about £350m for the NHS etc
3. People who voted as a protest to get their voice heard
4. People who believed leaving the EU was a good thing for their own spurious reasons (to get our own back for Eurovision, to get UK tomatoes, to not have to watch the Euros football, to stop the Germans stealing our sunbeds etc) but had no idea of the other consequences
5. People who truly believe we should not be governed by unelected bureaucrats in Brussels

Taking each group in turn, I can’t see how they have got what they want

1. Doesn’t even merit a response as it was such an appalling reason to vote
2. These have been proven to be lies as soon as the vote was over
3. This was a self defeating protest as it handed the control to the very people they were protesting against
4. Some of those people are now worried about job loses, the value of the pound, the drops in the stock market as they didn’t foresee that
5. There is no plan to get out of the EU- Boris seems to think we can have our cake and eat it but the EU aren’t having that

Is there another group of people who are genuinely happy with the way things are shaping up?

But Cameron could and should have been aware that the vote could have gone against him, and let them make a plan.

"They're ideas people, don't you know. Visionaries. You can't expect them to have any actual plans."

Or even an idea or a vision...

Ah they're those annoying people that invite you out but then make you pick the restaurant because they're not fussy, but then complain because they don't like it.

tabulah

Just interested in at what point of reality Brexiteers admit that they were wrong and their vision was flawed?

Fair point tabulah - they don't even seem to have any of those either.

Leave voters keep telling me that 'we are where we are' and 'we should all pull together to sort this out' - and I would do my bit to 'pull together' and even try and be positive, if only I knew 'where we are' is. And if the Leave camp didn't bother to explain to its voters what the plan is.. as in what "Leave' actually means...why should anyone at No 10 have any idea.

I don't think he stopped them making a plan! The leave camp seem to me very much like those annoying people who complain about how brownies are run or that there is no club for snail racing in their local area but just won't get their finger out and run one.

So. Let's get this straight. The dynamic, go ahead Leave campaign, the iconoclastic freedom fighters champing at the bit to forge a brave new Britain, free from the shackles of our EU overlords were.... wait for it ... waiting for permission from David Cameron to let them make a plan?

Hang on, if David Cameron can stop people thinking up a plan...why did he not stop them thinking about other stuff? Like leaving the EU?

The only way the Leave campaigners could muster up a majority was by pretending it was possible to have free trade with the EU and to control immigration. I think a lot of those who are relaxed about where this is heading are assuming that free trade will win out, as we can't and don't even keep non-EU immigration down to the numbers promised. I think they will find this is just the start of a rising tide of extremism, as mainstream politics has proven itself incapable of responding to the conflicting needs and desires of a split nation. Things will not settle down after we've triggered Article 50. This is just the beginning of years of turmoil not just in the UK, but across the entire world and all we have done is make countries feel less co-operative towards each other, which has not helped the situation.

You really wouldn't want a Gove plan. He'd start something, then change it again thd next year, and the next. Then just when it was all getting chaotic with all the changed he'd scrap it all and start again.

Boris just lies and keeps losing jobs because of it. His friend was trying to promote him earlier and had to admit he was somewhat fluid with the truth.

And Farage has been a racist and facist since at school and his right to have a position of responsibility was questioned back then.

I"m.thinking lack of a plan from them is probably a good thing.

researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/CBP-7632/CBP-7632.pdf

www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/503908/54538_EU_Series_No2_Accessible.pdf

I have found these, it sort of gives more of an outline of how you leave etc, which i didn't know much about. I'm clutching at straws really.

Of course it was up to the fucking Leave campaign to have a plan. The SNP had a bloody massive detailed plan when campaigning to leave the UK.

The reason the Leave campaign didn't have a plan wasn't because they genuinely thought it was up to the government to have a plan, but because if they could get away with not having a plan then they could promise sunshine and kittens with no responsibility to actually deliver.

If they had to sit down and write a plan how would it have looked? Page 1: What to do about Scotland? Um, good question. Page 2: What to do about Northern Ireland? Um, good question. Page 3: What to do about Gibraltar? Um, good question. Page 4: What about the single market? Um, good question. Page 6: What about immigration? Um, good question...and on and on and on.

That's why they didn't have a fucking plan.

Noble giraffe, I love your summary. Can I nick it?

Of course!

Leave couldn't come up with a plan because they all would have come up with different ones. So they agreed not to talk about it and just be friends and do what needed to be done first. I think they may even have come up with that annoying Winnie the Pooh meme, which might be their worst crime.

baby here's a better one, in case you haven't seen it.

I started a thread on Friday to say that it very much looked like Brexiteers now expect Remainers to come up with The Plan, and was told to get over myself.

I said I hoped I was wrong, but I am getting zero sense of reassurance about this as he days pass, at all.

I don't think a single Brexiteer has a fucking clue, and I do think they expect Remainers to sort this all out.

It is quite unbelievable.

I am not happy with the wall-to-wall Remainstream media weeping, wailing and renting of clothes. The BBC's funereal dressing of presenters and horror story background music was particularly nauseating.

I am not happy that the MSM and Remainers are whipping up hatred against Leave voters, calling them racists, stupid, ill-informed and regretful. They are none of these things. I met a Regretful Remainer today.

I am not happy that so many of my fellow citizens wish to immediately overturn the democratic mandate handed to their Governement to Brexit.

I am happy that the Polish Foreign Minister - backed by the Czechs has called for Juncker's resignation.

I am happy that the markets are recovering after their initial fall.

I am happy that Switzerland is inviting us to join them in EFTA.

I am happy that some countries are reaching out to explore the possibiilty of trade deals

whipping up hatred against Leave voters, calling them racists, stupid, ill-informed and regretful. They are none of these things.

Er, some of them definitely are.

I am not happy that the MSM and Remainers are whipping up hatred against Leave voters, calling them racists, stupid, ill-informed and regretful. They are none of these things

If they weren't abusing people on trams, posting vile cards through their neighbours letters boxes, bullying children and spitting on people in the streets, it wouldn't be so easy for the MSM to call them racists, stupid or ill informed.

Let me explain a simpe fact to you.

We elect a Government (Cameron's shower) to govern.

When that Government offers its population a binary choice to Remain or Leave the EU the electorate decides which option it wants and hands the Governemnet a mandate to carry out its wishes.

The electorate chose Brexit.

The electorate should have a reasonable expectation that the same Governmeent will have 2 plans - one for Remain and one for Brexit.

Unfortuneately Dodgy Dave was so arrogant and out of touch with hsi electorate (and still is, as he's claiming he lost on immigration) that he completely failed to plan for a Brexit. Strange that, when he lied to us that he had "ruled nothing out" yet evidently had no Brexit planned.

Let's be quite clear -
It is not up to you, me, Boris, Fred down the road or any of the Leave side to have a plan, that they have absolutely no authority to implement because they are just a campaign group - they are not the Government.

There are plenty of Brexit plans out there and any sensible PM would have been preparing one as he fought to Remain. Dodgy Dave didn't and he's paid the price .

Plenty of hate directed against leave voters to. I am waiting for the Police to contact me as I am a witness to one racially motivated attack on a Leave campaigner and waiting for a complaint to be answered by a newspaper for breaking the Code of Practice.

Whipping up hatred against leavers is vile and the MSM should cease it straight away.

I am happy that Switzerland is inviting us to join them in EFTA.

I don't think it's in their gift to invite us to join.

I don't think it's unreasonable to be angry with Leave voters. It's a bit like them saying 'We don't like the house we are living in, let's burn it down', becoming homeless, setting fire to all around and saying, 'oh whoops, oh well sort it out someone.'

pre-voting day polls suggest immigration was the main reason for leaving EU (for 1/3 of leave voters)

"Ipsos MORI found that as 23 June approached, immigration overtook the economy as the most-commonly cited issue that would help people decide how to vote. That could be part of the explanation for the result.
They also found that only 17% believed the Remain campaign's claim that leaving the EU would make households £4,300 per year worse off.
That compared to 45% who believed the Leave claim that Turkey would be fast-tracked into the EU, if we stayed in, with their population given the right of free movement to the UK."

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36648769