Are leave voters happy with how this is playing out so far?

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Inpsired by Boris Johnson’s sister’s Tweet about people saying we are where we are but nobody having a clue where that is; which group of Leave voters are happy with how things are panning out?

From what I’ve seen the Leave voters seem to fall into these categories, in no particular order:-

1. People who heard nothing more than the word ‘immigration’ and voted based on all the borders being closed and every immigrant being deported on Friday
2. People who believed the nonsense touted by the Leave campaign about £350m for the NHS etc
3. People who voted as a protest to get their voice heard
4. People who believed leaving the EU was a good thing for their own spurious reasons (to get our own back for Eurovision, to get UK tomatoes, to not have to watch the Euros football, to stop the Germans stealing our sunbeds etc) but had no idea of the other consequences
5. People who truly believe we should not be governed by unelected bureaucrats in Brussels

Taking each group in turn, I can’t see how they have got what they want

1. Doesn’t even merit a response as it was such an appalling reason to vote
2. These have been proven to be lies as soon as the vote was over
3. This was a self defeating protest as it handed the control to the very people they were protesting against
4. Some of those people are now worried about job loses, the value of the pound, the drops in the stock market as they didn’t foresee that
5. There is no plan to get out of the EU- Boris seems to think we can have our cake and eat it but the EU aren’t having that

Is there another group of people who are genuinely happy with the way things are shaping up?

I'll be happier when they push the big red button (article 50)

I'm getting increasingly nervous that there are some very deluded people that seem to be gradually convincing themselves that Brexit is never going to happen.

I think this is stopping their 'grieving' process and worry about the effect it will have on them when it is enacted.

'the geniuses like my friend who thought we were probably better off in but voted Leave as 'a protest vote' '

Christ. I wouldn't trust myself to be around a numpty like that. Vote for the outcome you want to see not so you can brag to your friends about what a rebel you are going for the protest vote.

Ah, a dental analogy now. Ok, I trust my dentist to make a considered, expert decision before he starts drilling. I'd like him to know why he's drilling, what the outcome will be and to have an immediate after care plan. But if he makes free with his drill, then starts asking everyone else what to do with my teeth next and promptly resigns then I don't feel too confident of the long term gain as clearly he didn't have a fucking clue what he was doing in the first place.

No, there is no reason why Remain should have a plan for Leave, but Cameron damn well should have had a contingency plan for a Leave vote going against him. He could, for example, have stressed that it was advisory and that there needed to be a clear mandate for the change i.e. like a 60/40 % of either 75% of the voters or 50% of the electorate. It wouldn't have shut up the Eurosceptics in his party, but this is an issue which has so many greater implications than that. Meanwhile, the status quo would have prevailed. Yes, the EU might break up anyway and Scotland might go for Independence, but he wouldn't be the man to be seen to have done it.

So now he joins the ranks of Chamberlain and Eden, and it serves him right.

Christ indeed Mitzy. She adores Boris Johnson as well, and thinks that Jeremy Corbyn is the spawn of Satan, and a Holocaust denier no less. Yes she does read the Daily Mail, every frigging day. And you're right, she does fancy herself as a bit of a rebel.

I keep thinking that I should text her and break the silence but I actually don't want to. I'm too angry right now.

CETA is already being rushed through before we leave - this will allow companies to sue governments over any law or policy that might reduce their future profits. Once its done its done - there will be no going back. Its ok saying France are against TTIP but this has only been made clear after 12.06.16 - before then there was no firm opposition.

Jandosmumy transparently

Mitzy Uh oh! Do you know anything about Crabb at all? I fear you're in for a rude awakening.

Actually I think I agree with you on Crabb. Crabb's self-righteousness reminds me of the chippy and murderous Headstone in Our Mutual Friend (played by David Morrissey in the BBC version.) He even looks a bit like him. So please remove Crabb from my reasons to be cheerful list.

"Its up to the leader in power to formulate a plan."

No, the time for a plan was before the vote...

Voting with the expectation that the leader in power who you know doesn't agree with the way you're voting and clearly doesn't understand what it is you want will then make up your plan for you isn't a sign of intelligence, it's the exact opposite.

I don't think that leave voters necessarily swallowed lies about the NHS or immigration. What they want is self determination. They want the ablity to sack the man in charge of our laws.

Maybe you think that the leave voters are racist thickos, but the majority of politicans have never taken the time to listen to those thickos off the council estates. It has come as a shock to many that THEIR vote is equal to the vote of a wealthy graduate in London.

No wanting uncontrolled immigration is not the same as racism. Why should the discussion on freedom of movement of people within the EU be closed. Why shouldn't working class people in the north east get their say. Very few countries outside the EU have uncontrolled immigration.

Certainly being nasty to existing immigrants by telling them to go home is unacceptable.

It still has to be voted in Parliament.
Referendums don't change laws in the UK, they're not legally binding.
WRITE TO YOUR LOCAL MP and lobby for what you believe!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The things I am unhappy with are not to do with why I voted but are to do with the government's appalling lack of planning for this.

I was under the impression that a government was elected to run the country using the expertise of the civil service to do it in all circumstances, not just if things are panning out how they want. According to a post I read on here, The Telegraph reported that No 10 had refused to authorise Brexit planning as Cameron did not want to legitimise the campaign. That is shameful if true and is really worthy of "Dafuq". cameron may go down as the man whose hubris plunged the country into chaos, although I have no doubt we will recover.

Personally I don't think staying or going back are an option as Juncker and the Eurocrats will want to drive a harder bargain then even the Remain campaign could stomach

Why should the discussion on freedom of movement of people within the EU be closed.

Really have you read Boris Johnsons article in the Telegraph yesterday- he has effectively closed that discussion himself by saying not much will change as everyone in the EU will be able to move around as they did before.

I'm becoming more convinced that nobody is actually happy with the situation as it stands because the only ones who have anything good to say are basing it on fairytales

They want the ablity to sack the man in charge of our laws

Please can you explain how leaving the EU was ever going to achieve that?

No one person can 'trigger' Article 50 - Parliament is sovereign and will vote on the issue.

Remember Parliament? Where the people you actually elected not so long ago work? Where Nigel Farage has tried to get into 7 times and failed?

Referendums are opinion polls, nothing more. I would doubt Brexit will happen anytime soon or in the format most Leavers think it will. Hey, that's democracy .

I don't believe that Leave voters are all racist thickos - I'm happy to accept that most voted Leave for a higher purpose, for democracy and self-determination and Taking Back Control.

So why aren't they Taking Control?

Please for the love of God can Brexiters please Take Control!

I think the Tory right have got to him and he's now already backtracking on his Telegraph column. Look over there, he's squatting down between a rock and a hard place.

Really, I feel like it doesn't matter whether Leave voters were racist or uneducated or any of the rest of it - what matters now is that there is NO plan. No one knows what self determination or taking control looks like. The Leave campaign has been exposed as meaningless sound bites and no one had a clue how to move forward. The country is in chaos and no one knows how to get out of it. That's why the result of this referendum should not be enacted because no one knows how to do it or what they are aiming for.

The frustration and anxiety about immigration which is so widespread needs to be addressed, it needed to be addressed long before the referendum. Leaving the EU will do nothing to resolve the tensions, nothing at all.

I'm not saying to disregard the referendum - the rifts and chasms it has exposed are very important and that really is something we need to work together on. But proceeding into disaster with no one at the helm is no kind of solution to any of the problems we are facing. Leave lied. Leave are incompetent. Leave don't know what to do. We shouldn't leave and I fervently hope we don't.

"angemorange* I so hope you are right!

"Maybe you think that the leave voters are racist thickos, but the majority of politicans have never taken the time to listen to those thickos off the council estates. It has come as a shock to many that THEIR vote is equal to the vote of a wealthy graduate in London."

Well firstly I don't think it has come as a shock that votes are equal in a referendum...

But then I also don't think that council estates are full of racist thickos as I'm 'off a council estate'

Great posts CaptainBrickbeard. You're right that there is absolutely no-one at the helm, zero leadership on display from anyone except Nicola Sturgeon. Pathetic stuff.

Great posts CaptainBrickbeard. You're right that there is absolutely no-one at the helm, zero leadership on display from anyone except Nicola Sturgeon. Pathetic stuff.

I second that. It was noticeable Nicola Sturgeon was the only one doing any work over the weekend. Cameron - off to some military parade on Saturday, Johnson, playing cricket, Gove - nowhere to be seen.

I am right because it's a fact unlike the wild conjecture everywhere.

Your MP may be a Remainer or Leaver but their vote will be part of this. Government only has to take into account the results of any Referendum and although Leave won it was by a small margin.

Any sensible government will vote on what they feel is best for the country. (But taking some notice of the real pain and poverty that exists in large areas of the country and doing something about it by ending austerity would go a long way, and taking notice of those who fear a EU super state would also be sensible).

"Your MP may be a Remainer or Leaver but their vote will be part of this. Government only has to take into account the results of any Referendum and although Leave won it was by a small margin."

It might not be legally binding, but it was made very clear both before and after that they would accept the result whatever.

To do otherwise is madness because they'd not just be ignoring the leave voters but a democratic vote.

I wish there was a way to stop it in parliament without causing even bigger problems, but just voting against putting it through isn't a viable option.

I voted for no 5 mainly. I am happy we got the right result. I am not happy with the mess that is now parliament. I did not think Cameron would run off with his tail between his legs. This was not a personal vote against him. He gave us the choice, he should be man enough to have had a plan for it and get on with steering us through this. I knew there would be uncertainty so no surprise about the pound etc but I am furious that we have to wait 3 months because of pathetic, childish playground behaviour, "I'm not doing it. You do it!" I would still vote leave .