Are leave voters happy with how this is playing out so far?

[Bearbehind]

Inpsired by Boris Johnson’s sister’s Tweet about people saying we are where we are but nobody having a clue where that is; which group of Leave voters are happy with how things are panning out?

From what I’ve seen the Leave voters seem to fall into these categories, in no particular order:-

1. People who heard nothing more than the word ‘immigration’ and voted based on all the borders being closed and every immigrant being deported on Friday
   
2. People who believed the nonsense touted by the Leave campaign about £350m for the NHS etc
   
3. People who voted as a protest to get their voice heard
   
4. People who believed leaving the EU was a good thing for their own spurious reasons (to get our own back for Eurovision, to get UK tomatoes, to not have to watch the Euros football, to stop the Germans stealing our sunbeds etc) but had no idea of the other consequences
   
5. People who truly believe we should not be governed by unelected bureaucrats in Brussels
   
   Taking each group in turn, I can’t see how they have got what they want
   
   
6. Doesn’t even merit a response as it was such an appalling reason to vote
   
7. These have been proven to be lies as soon as the vote was over
   
8. This was a self defeating protest as it handed the control to the very people they were protesting against
   
9. Some of those people are now worried about job loses, the value of the pound, the drops in the stock market as they didn’t foresee that
   
10. There is no plan to get out of the EU- Boris seems to think we can have our cake and eat it but the EU aren’t having that
    
    Is there another group of people who are genuinely happy with the way things are shaping up?

[Millyonthefloss2]

I am happy with how it is panning out so far. Although, as RainYourRotting says above it is very early days.

Why am I happy?

1. Cameron and Osborne are toast along with their neverending austerity measures (which are very similar to the EU's).
   

1. We are about to get a new cabinet - I hope it will be a team of positive thinkers who can make this work for business and the country. I hope they will want to boost growth not impose austerity and because they are state-educated (People like Javid and Leadsom and Crabb) I hope they will try to understand the needs of all sections of society.
   

1. We are now discussing the perils of regional deprivation and how it fuels the far right and racism. I hope Labour is listening.
   

1. We are out of the EU with its stupid austerity measures and punitive right wing policies. And its stagnant economy which could only drag us down.
   

Meawhile, I hope the Government goes on calling out racism and enforcing the law on hate crimes. I would like the Queen to make a statement actually.

My only fear now is that Cameron and Osborne are still hoping that Jeremy Hunt can stand as leader and keep us in the EU. Please tell me that can't happen.

[MitzyLeFrouf]

Cameron and Osborne are toast along with their neverending austerity measures

We are about to get a new cabinet - I hope they will want to boost growth not impose austerity and because they are state-educated (People like Javid and Leadsom and Crabb)

Uh oh! Do you know anything about Crabb at all? He makes Iain Duncan Smith look positively cuddly. I fear you're in for a rude awakening.

[CaptainBrickbeard]

Do you know, I didn't think I could be angrier than I was on Friday morning when I woke up to the news that the lunatics had taken over the asylum. I thought my rage would cool after the initial shock. But now it turns out that they are actually turning around to us, to the people who fucking TOLD them this would be a disaster and going "hang on, why haven't you come up with a plan for us? You can't mean to say we have to do all the hard thinking now and come up with the answers ourselves, do you? We only destroyed stability and security for everyone and crashed the economy, why are you being so meeean to us all?" Why the fuck should we hold your hand and walk into the fire with you all? We will be doing our best to stop your ill-conceived, nonsensical half-baked ideas about 'taking control' since it transpires you have absolutely no idea about how to actually do that. Sorry if that hurts your feelings .

[mupperoon]

The same two trends on all threads:

1. Remain is somehow to blame for the resultant crisis because we're being negative on MN, hassling our MPs and signing petitions (which BTW is completely democratic in a PARLIAMENTARY DEMOCRACY), not pulling together with the rest of the country... whether this means we should all be spending our savings on the High Street immediately to boost retail confidence, or something else, I have no clue.
   
   
2. This nebulous shit about "I have hopes for a greater future 10 years or so down the line". BASED ON WHAT?
   
   I hardly ever break out the capitals but I am so, so angry and no, I'm not going to stop being angry any time soon.

[JayDot500]

Milly, how are you able to foresee an end to austerity when our economy will go tits up? I only see austerity.

[mupperoon]

Hear hear Capt Brickbeard

Millyonthefloss2 I don't have high hopes for your hopes. Every party-aligned talking head I saw last night on the news was still playing the same old shit party politics rather than talking about what is best for our country.

[KJJDMB]

While I'm sure I'll get abuse, I voted leave because I like the idea of the EU but not a super state which it is becoming. I think it is too big and now ineffective, it took 3 days to get fuck all when DC tried. I think the 'top' countries do well and others are shafted. Look at Greece, Spain, Italy, even France's economy is flopping. I think people are getting hacked off with the EU and far right groups are gaining momentum. We have a business and if we make a loss we have to shut shop not just demand more without saying what we spent it on, having never balances/audited accounts, I think EU about to impose in next decade and we are better off out.....Just some of my reasons, otherwise post would be huge. I did not for one minute think 350m would go to nhs, nor did I vote due to immigration as I don't think it's a bad thing.

I personally think looking at EU a recession was coming at some point, I always knew there would be market uncertainty. Didn't realise DC would welch on his promise to do the will of the country....

So not too surprised by how it is going now, and if you push through the gloom, Aston Martin investing, one agric manufacturer had best trading day ever as weak £ meant more sales......

[Bearbehind]

having never balances/audited accounts

Another vote based on a fucking myth- try googling that KJJDMB

[TheElementsSong]

Well said captain and mupperoon.

Can we stop with the "Can we stop with the bickering and all work together"? It does my fucking nut - somehow it's all Remain's fault for not working together, but what work is it that you want everybody to do? Are we all carving unicorns or whittling spoons? Closing our eyes and chanting "OMMMMM nothing's happening"? Or did you mean you want us all to join the Treasury in flinging our life savings at the FTSE to save the stock market?

And I call bullshit on any suggestion that Leave would have trusted Cameron and his team to take us out of the EU. The central platform of the Leave campaign (and it turns out they disagreed on everything else) was that they knew better than Cameron and Remain and all those experts. If I thought I knew better than Joe Bloggs next door how to do, say, genetic cloning, I wouldn't be sitting back and asking Joe Bloggs to run my PCRs for me, would I?

Cameron was just going to be TefLeave's patsy for anything that went badly during Brexit. I'll never forgive him for calling this referendum in the first place, but I think he played a blinder by refusing to do Leave's dirty work.

[Lottapianos]

'When I plan to move house, I actually have somewhere to go. I've made sure I can afford it. I've organised things in advance. I've never just decided to burn my existing house down just to see what happens! Which is what the Leave campaign appear to have done.'

and at the same time

Well said CaptainBrickBeard. I'm getting sick and tired of the 'it will all be fine, what you worrying about????' brigade as well. There's such an anti-thinking, anti-intelligence, anti-information feeling in this country at the moment. Gove really knew what he was doing when he said that the people were sick of 'experts' and compared said experts to Nazis A lot of people lapped it right up. Its bloody terrifying.

[CaptainBrickbeard]

I will say though, whilst I have a simple solution to the problems caused by Brexit - let's just sodding stay, the rise of the far right and the horrible racism is a much more complex problem and I think we would be seeing it whatever the result had been. This anger and hatred was stoked further by the campaign - the Leave win may have made some racists feel emboldened and legitimised, but a defeat would have seen them defiant and furious. The way that immigration has been scapegoated and people's fears manipulated and exploited for years prior to this catastrophic referendum, which should never have been called in the first place, is a hugely serious and frightening problem. It's been exacerbated and highlighted by the schisms wrought by the referendum but it was already there and no political party knew how to address it effectively. It's highly unfortunate that this stupid, ill-conceived referendum had thrown Labour and the Tories into such chaos and rendered them even less able to start to think about how to tackle it. That is an issue which I can agree we all need to pull together on and I haven't got a smart answer to why somewhere Ebbw fears immigration so much when they have virtually none and how we resolve this. It's definitely not by leaving the EU though, particularly as the Leave voters who were motivated by worries about immigration realise that this result will have no effect on it whatsoever.

[tabulahrasa]

" It does my fucking nut - somehow it's all Remain's fault for not working together, but what work is it that you want everybody to do? Are we all carving unicorns or whittling spoons? Closing our eyes and chanting "OMMMMM nothing's happening"? Or did you mean you want us all to join the Treasury in flinging our life savings at the FTSE to save the stock market?"



Well clearly we're all supposed to Facebook message Gove's DP and tell them the plan...

[AllegraWho]

it took 3 days to get fuck all when DC tried

Well, that's all over. You have taken back control !

And it's been three days now. So what have we got ?

[Asprilla11]

Ok so there is massive generalising going on by remain voters, I thought you were far too intelligent to fall in to that trap!

Statements such as:

Leave voters are all less highly educated so must be' thick'

Many millions of Leave voters had degrees and higher, not nearly as many as Remain but does it matter? Many people leave school and college and go straight in to business and other things, they gained their intelligence in school and college and through life, going to Uni wouldn't have improved their intelligence. Academic achievements in the way of degrees etc is not a guarantee of greater intelligence.

Leave voters are all Racists or Xenophobes

Simply not true as I and many others have already made clear.

//www.mumsnet.com/Talk/eu_referendum_2016_/2671677-EU-Referendum-Racists-and-Xenophobes

Oh and if you think "Leave voters aren't all racists but all racists voted leave" is a true statement, again your generalising and not using your higher intelligence to think properly.

Out of 16+ million Remain voters you really think there were no racists at all? It's statistically highly unlikely isn't it! Of course there were racist people who voted Remain, immigration wasn't as strong a reason to them as other reasons so they voted Remain, doesn't make them any less racist!

More Leave voters were racist but they had those views long before we had mass immigration anyway, they had those views all their adult lives.
It's not a who's got more racists Top Trumps game, it's a problem Society as a whole needs to challenge.

Leave voters have believed all the lies by the Leave campaign and they thought they were going to get £350 million

Come on you must do better. The leave campaign was mainly Gove, Johnson, IDS etc with Farage supporting in his own campaign.

Now considering large numbers of Leave voters are from outside London and the South East and some of them are Labour supporters, do you REALLY think we believed anything the Leave campaign told us? No we didn't, we researched ourselves, I knew the £350 million was wrong, I also knew it wouldn't go all to the NHS, Farage isn't in Government so can promise nowt and the actual Government will allocate the true saving to various sectors. Shock horror, most people realised that!

Just as we didn't believe the lie that the Remain camp made that every Household would be £4300 worse off and other 'Predictions' they made which independent people proved were impossible to predict.

But Remain voters aren't shouting about those LIES, LIES!

Picking newspaper headlines, social media idiotic postings and a few idiots interviwed on TV does not prove all Leave voters are the same.

I could go on and on with further examples but it's pointless

[TheElementsSong]

Well clearly we're all supposed to Facebook message Gove's DP and tell them the plan...

I must admit I was open-mouthed at the poster upthread who demanded to know why Remain didn't have a plan for Leave As my younger brother would say, "Dafuq?"

[JandOsmummy]

I'm loving all the leave voters claiming that it's all gone t*ts up because the remainers aren't immediately jumping on board and sorting their mess out for them.

I hope each and every one of the leave voters feel guilty as they watch small children get racially abused on their way to school, hardworking people lose their jobs, workers rights get reduced and our nhs get sold off.

wait until their is no money left in the pot to make benefit payments then listen as the worst of the leave voters complain how they were screwed over - which immigrant are you going to blame then?

I can hear the cry already that not all leave voters are racist ...stop kidding yourselves. you voted because you bought ukips crap that the immigrants make us worse off...there is is a reason that 27 if the 28 countries representatives in Brussels were laughing at farage this morning.

yes I'm bitter! where is your plan leavers?? I'm waiting!

[tabulahrasa]

"Academic achievements in the way of degrees etc is not a guarantee of greater intelligence"

No it's not at all, but as I keep trying to point out to you on your thread, voting for a huge change that has massive implications for the population of a whole country and only afterwards going, so what's the plan now then? Isn't exactly showing much intelligence.

[Bearbehind]

I could go on and on with further examples but it's pointless

It is pointless asprilla as none of those bold quotes came from this thread

Bitching about what Remain voters think of Leave voters doesn't answer the question of what the feck happens next- it's just more bullshit to detract from the fact no one has a clue what to do.

Are you happy with where we are currently and if so why?

[recall]

Its up to Cameron and his government to manage "what goes on" now - he called for a referendum - he wanted this, now he ought to manage the fall out instead of moping about looking sad and deserting his ship.

[recall]

Jandosmummy weren't you worried about the NHS being "sold off" as a result of TTIP ?

[TheElementsSong]

And the UK was not a key supporter of TTIP?

[ReallyTired]

"No it's not at all, but as I keep trying to point out to you on your thread, voting for a huge change that has massive implications for the population of a whole country and only afterwards going, so what's the plan now then? Isn't exactly showing much intelligence."

Its up to the leader in power to formulate a plan. Since David Cameron has chosen to resign we need a new leader.

Leaving the EU is a huge change, but the country will be better off in the long term. When the Euro completely implodes on itself Britian will not be caught so badly in the fall out. Its like a root canal filling, in that there is a lot of pain at the time, but the long term gain is worth it.

[Lottapianos]

'As my younger brother would say, "Dafuq?"'

I'm going to get 'Dafuq?' printed on a t-shirt, or maybe even tattooed on my face, as its exactly how I feel every minute of the day at the moment

I don't know who I'm more angry with - the Leave voters who actually swallowed the lies about the NHS and immigration, or the geniuses like my friend who thought we were probably better off in but voted Leave as 'a protest vote' Seriously. For the love of sanity. I honestly don't even want to speak to her at the moment and haven't been in touch with her since last week

Very good comments upthread about anger being effing well justified at the moment

[recall]

I wasn't a supporter of TTIP, neither was I a supporter of the EU negotiating with the US in secret - that is NOT democratic - a referendum is.

[JandOsmummy]

recall you are kidding yourself if you think we are better off tackling ttip from the outside. Once out of the EU we are a competitor of the EU in many instances particularly when dealing with the states.

How do you think we will compete against an EU that has a trip agreement...?!