Are leave voters happy with how this is playing out so far?

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Inpsired by Boris Johnson’s sister’s Tweet about people saying we are where we are but nobody having a clue where that is; which group of Leave voters are happy with how things are panning out?

From what I’ve seen the Leave voters seem to fall into these categories, in no particular order:-

1. People who heard nothing more than the word ‘immigration’ and voted based on all the borders being closed and every immigrant being deported on Friday
2. People who believed the nonsense touted by the Leave campaign about £350m for the NHS etc
3. People who voted as a protest to get their voice heard
4. People who believed leaving the EU was a good thing for their own spurious reasons (to get our own back for Eurovision, to get UK tomatoes, to not have to watch the Euros football, to stop the Germans stealing our sunbeds etc) but had no idea of the other consequences
5. People who truly believe we should not be governed by unelected bureaucrats in Brussels

Taking each group in turn, I can’t see how they have got what they want

1. Doesn’t even merit a response as it was such an appalling reason to vote
2. These have been proven to be lies as soon as the vote was over
3. This was a self defeating protest as it handed the control to the very people they were protesting against
4. Some of those people are now worried about job loses, the value of the pound, the drops in the stock market as they didn’t foresee that
5. There is no plan to get out of the EU- Boris seems to think we can have our cake and eat it but the EU aren’t having that

Is there another group of people who are genuinely happy with the way things are shaping up?

Agree peppa
The govt started out with a dignified 'we will listen to the will of the people' and then proceeded with some kind of circus clown act

"Ah, you expected Johnson and Gove to be blindsided by victory, not have any plans in place"

Yes, well not the blindsided bit, I assumed they were actually trying to win.

But they didn't have any plans during their campaign...so um, yes, it was obvious.

I'm not surprise the Leavers are looking to the Remainers for ideas when Michael Gove's wife was on Facebook scouting around for some expert advice on Brexit.

Daily Mail columnists looking for exit strategies from her Facebook pals, yep, that fills me with confidence.

How exactly am I supposed to hold politicians to account?

I voted in the referendum, I'll vote again in 2020. That's my lot. I don't know if there will be elections to the European Parliament after Art50 has been triggered (invoked? Called?) but I so I will vote tactically to get Farage and Hannan out as I always have done, to no effect as the democratic will of the tiny minority who vote in the EP elections is always to fuck things up as much as possible. I accept that I am one of these Fuckers Up by birth, I accept the will of the Fuckers Up. I go to work, raise my child, live my life, pay what I have to pay. What else am I supposed to do?

tabulahrasa my question was to Badbadbunny.

"tabulahrasa my question was to Badbadbunny"

I know, I was just pointing that actually Badbadbunny can't possibly claim it was unexpected that they didn't have a plan, because it was blatantly obvious.

Darylon I disagree, it's too soon to be so pessimistic about the economy, neither you nor I know how it will pan out. I'm sorry that your dh's job is under threat, genuinely. It's annoying to be told to cheer up and not to worry by someone who voted the other way, I get that as well. I just think you need to try to understand that for many many people, things were not ok before Thursday either, and they did not see the possibility of them getting better. I'm going now before it gets nasty.

I'm sure the virtual tea will be of great comfort........

The tragedy is the lies told by the Leave campaign and the fact that they haven't got a fucking clue how to proceed. No, we won't all work together to find a way to implement this fucking disaster, we will look for a way out of it given the incompetence of the Leave politicians who are currently blinking in the headlights and the fact that they based their campaign on absolute lies. There is not a good way forward if we just all pull together - we can head into this farce united like cattle to the abattoir or the half of the country that already knew this was a disaster can work with the ones who have realised a little too late that this is a disaster to try to stop this from actually happening.

I've had a separate Twitter account following a shitload of leave leaning people for a few months. It's a mixed bag of campaigners, public figures and pure grassroots support/voters. I'd say as a "voice" it is over representative of the middling to higher end of the socio-econ spectrum.

So far not noting any real distress. Some minor-moderate arguments about what's best for the near, medium and long term future, but by and large relatively buoyant so far.

Obviously that may change as things unfold.

I much prefer your thinking Captain to the 'let's all be fwends' one of the Leavers.

less than a week in everything is as expected, its a seismic shift what did remainers expect? these things take time.

I expect there to be chaos at the moment, if there is still chaos a year down the line, moan then.

you don't move house and settle in immediately do you! You dont go through divorce and "instantly" get yourself sorted.

But there hasn't yet been a divorce. I wonder if there will ever be one.

I just think you need to try to understand that for many many people, things were not ok before Thursday either

But that's just another example of a protest vote - things 'not being ok' didn't mean leaving the EU was the right answer.

A Leave vote never offered to solve the whole country's woes.

Things are 'not OK' for all of us now as no one has a fucking clue what is going to happen.

caitlinohara sums it up that for many people it wasn't great prior to Thursday and no hope that it would get better if we stayed in a European superstate. I don't think anyone within a week expected unicorns farting fairy dust but maybe in a few years....

based on lies? so you see the EU as a strong and effective organisation do you?

I a bloated incompetent arrogant gravy train constantly teetering on the edge of disaster. Unable after over 40 years to deal with the various issues that face it. Disjointed, no unity between states...unable to deal with major corruption...The EU is providing perfect climate for the right wing to flourish and in most eu countries there is strong dissatisfaction with it.

When I plan to move house, I actually have somewhere to go. I've made sure I can afford it. I've organised things in advance. I've never just decided to burn my existing house down just to see what happens! Which is what the Leave campaign appear to have done.

ah you expected something immediate then? I can see why your dissapointed.

I never did.

" its a seismic shift what did remainers expect? these things take time."

For people trying to create the seismic shift to have actually planned how they were going to manage it and roughly where they wanted to end up.

"you don't move house and settle in immediately do you!"

You don't move out of a house and then go, OK, where am I going to live now?

When I plan to move house, I actually have somewhere to go. I've made sure I can afford it. I've organised things in advance. I've never just decided to burn my existing house down just to see what happens! Which is what the Leave campaign appear to have done.

^^ This

Uh, I expected the people campaigning to leave to have a plan about what to do if they bloody well won, yes!

ah you expected something immediate then? I can see why your dissapointed.

Then why did you use the analogy that the UK has divorced the EU? The UK hasn't divorced the EU, it has said it wants a divorce. Bit of a difference. It seems now that your powers that be are backtracking a bit and saying 'forget the divorce, let's go for EEA insread'.

www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/jun/28/british-fishermen-warned-brexit-will-not-mean-greater-catches

Another potential lie was sold . Although it's all yet to play out, I don't believe this was communicated to fishermen. I voted Remain but in a way I felt happy for the fishing industry here in the UK based on what I'd heard. But in actuality, it's possible nothing much will change, but the EU won't be funding them for new boats, nets etc.