Are leave voters happy with how this is playing out so far?

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Inpsired by Boris Johnson’s sister’s Tweet about people saying we are where we are but nobody having a clue where that is; which group of Leave voters are happy with how things are panning out?

From what I’ve seen the Leave voters seem to fall into these categories, in no particular order:-

1. People who heard nothing more than the word ‘immigration’ and voted based on all the borders being closed and every immigrant being deported on Friday
2. People who believed the nonsense touted by the Leave campaign about £350m for the NHS etc
3. People who voted as a protest to get their voice heard
4. People who believed leaving the EU was a good thing for their own spurious reasons (to get our own back for Eurovision, to get UK tomatoes, to not have to watch the Euros football, to stop the Germans stealing our sunbeds etc) but had no idea of the other consequences
5. People who truly believe we should not be governed by unelected bureaucrats in Brussels

Taking each group in turn, I can’t see how they have got what they want

1. Doesn’t even merit a response as it was such an appalling reason to vote
2. These have been proven to be lies as soon as the vote was over
3. This was a self defeating protest as it handed the control to the very people they were protesting against
4. Some of those people are now worried about job loses, the value of the pound, the drops in the stock market as they didn’t foresee that
5. There is no plan to get out of the EU- Boris seems to think we can have our cake and eat it but the EU aren’t having that

Is there another group of people who are genuinely happy with the way things are shaping up?

NI voted to stay in yet their First Minister is pro Brexit. I feel for them.

"I don't remember anyone from Remain predicting that N Ireland would vote differently to England, and it wasn't a factor in my decision"

You think that's the issue with Northern Ireland?!!!!!!

Frances O'Grady and Tony Blair are the only people I saw speak out for NI and try to impart on the people the impact Brexit could have on their fragile peace. But the rUK just doesn't care about NI, barely remembers it exists most of time.

But we have sovereignty, we have/had democracy.

I honestly, really do not understand what the whole point of it all is?

We can't stop immigration.
There's no money for the NHS.
The tories are now free to screw us over more than ever before.
Our economy is probably broken but maybe when we fix it, it might only be a little bit worse than before.
We will have more austerity with nothing from the EU to temper it.
We may or may not still have to play by EU rule but we definately don't have a say in what those rules are anymore.
France may or may not give us our border back with, including all of the campers now attached to it.
The very people who pushed for this not only don't have a clear plan, but they don't even know what the want to acheive from the plan they do not have.

What was the fucking point?!

We are all wondering that MotherOfBleach

The point was it was supposed to shut up the eurosceptics in the Tory party once and for all. DC was supposed to win with a big majority similar to the GE hence why he fronted the Remain campaign. But then turns out people have their own ideas about things (who knew?!) and a heady mix of austerity measures, immigration and people simply being fed up with the EU did for us.

The problem with Northern Ireland wasn't about them voting differently, it was a predictable problem.

www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/mcguinness-urges-vote-on-united-ireland-in-event-of-brexit-1.2569500

I know that in the future part of the narrative on the Leave side will be "but how were we supposed to know that X might happen?" but much of this stuff was known by the Leave side in the lead up to the Referendum.

The Tories are not free to screw us over, we have things called elections where we can vote them out if they don't do a good job.

I hardly think you can claim that the EU is some kind of benevolent fund opposed to austerity. It doesn't seem to be working out that way for Greece.

MotherofBleach

I think technically France could end it even we are in the EU (see picture). Obviously it's perhaps more likely to be ended if we're not in the EU.

www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b07kdsdl

On this programme a lawyer outlines the EEA. Apparently it is possible that we wouldn't have to agree to certain trade rules being enforced, we could say no whereas we can't now. We would also be exempt from rules on fisheries and agriculture, I think.

I was chatting to a leaver today (her whole family voted out). She seems to be genuinely shocked at what has happened (mainly to do with the amount of money wiped off her husbands share portfolio I suspect). She was talking as if she voted 'in' and it was someone else's vote that caused all this 'madness'

Caitlin I meant the UK austerity measures, benefit cuts and all that. It can't be a surprise if you cut someone's benefits and then they see a foreign national claiming benefits hostility will rise.

I was chatting to a leaver today (her whole family voted out). She seems to be genuinely shocked at what has happened (mainly to do with the amount of money wiped off her husbands share portfolio I suspect).

It's this sort of thing - along with, e.g. Cornwall voting out, in spite of their EU subsidies - that really does sway people to think Leavers are a bit hard of thinking.

The phrase 'cutting off your nose to spite your face' has never been more apt.

Maybe they're just true martyrs at heart - who would rather throw themselves under a bus for what they see as the greater, long-term good of Great Britain

"The Tories are not free to screw us over, we have things called elections where we can vote them out if they don't do a good job."

Bit late by that point though...

She was talking as if she voted 'in' and it was someone else's vote that caused all this 'madness'

I read an article by a renowned psychologist saying before the referendum that voting "out" was going to be a big mistake and afterwards the leavers would never blame themselves and always put the blame on someone else. Wise man.

I met a Regretful Remainer today. Couldn't believe how easily he had succumbed to the Project Fear nonsense andand feeling very silly now the FTSE has climbed above pre-Brexit mark and New Zealand is setting up unit to strike a trade deal with us and other countries are queuing up to join them.

We've never been wholehearted members of the European "project". Sure, we wanted to join the Common Market as that was just trade related. Over the years it evolved and come the signing of the Maastricht Treaty in 1992 the EU was a very different entity indeed.
We (the Public) should have been asked the question then, but we weren't which I think is shameful. I am 100% dertain that we would have said No which is why we were not asked, of course.
So we opted out of the Euro and had veto's to use when we are not happy with the whatever is being proposed.

To me this was never a relationship that was going "all the way". Rather like a very long engagement, at some point you have to decide if you are committed to each other or it is time to break up.
If not for our sake, what about the rest of the EU? The Five Presidents Report sets out the aims of the EU as total union ultimately. If that is what they all want, good for them! I wish them happiness and good fortune!
But we were NEVER going to go all in with them were we. So it is only right and proper that we stop holding them back from their ambitions and we go off and do our own thing.

Flame away.

BMW6

Spot on. The remain camp keep saying they did their research and the EU was a financial advantage, they keep saying 'Single Market' 'Trade Deals' and Farmers and poor regions in the UK get EU funding. That is as far as their research goes, or it's all they want to consider.

But not everything is about money, it's about human beings and how they are treated, it's about people that make life changing mistakes being accountable and removable.

Spring - perhaps your Regretful Remainer might care to read this article from the Telegraph explaining why the FTSE 100 is not a good measure in this situation.

www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2016/06/27/why-we-should-be-looking-at-the-ftse-250-and-not-the-ftse-100-to/

It is no surprise that New Zealand is suggesting a trade deal - it already has one with the EU through which it has been able to trade with the UK. To continue to do so it will need to set up a new one with the UK once we are no longer part of the EU. As will every other country who currently trades with us through EU wide agreements. How sweet of NZ though to offer us their experienced team of negotiators! We are going to need all the help we can get.

it's about human beings and how they are treated

Er, how are those human beings going to be treated when there's no money? Austerity has treated people really well hasn't it?

I'm sure I'm not the only one who has been waiting over 24 years to say it's gone far too far and I want out as this wasn't what I agreed to in the first place!

As I have said on other threads, I do wonder if this is why such a large proportion of those who voted leave are older - they are in my mindset. You'd have to be at least 50 to know what it was all about at the start compared to where it ended up, and really appreciate the con anomaly.

There is already no money and austerity in Greece and even places in the UK!

Just because food-banks, overcrowding, unemployment doesn't affect you in the UK doesn't mean it's not going on.

But how is even less money going to help?

People on here were moaning about poverty and austerity for years before the referendum. So things were not brilliant then. At least now we will know who to blame.

No money? Oh dear oh dear noble. Look, if you really believe that we are all going to starve and walk the streets in rags I suggest you move elsewhere in the EU while you still can. Save yourself.

Why will there be less money?