Corbyn still hanging in there

[NightWanderer]

I actually quite admire that. Hanging tough. I think it shows a sharp contrast to Cameron who can't get out of things soon enough.

Could Corbyn actually be the next PM?

I wasn't at all anti him to start with, I thought he would be a breath of fresh air.

But it's just disappointing to have him shielded behind the likes of bloody Abbott and McDonnell, refusing to engage with his own MPs, the media, and the real world. I feel let down.

Yes, I feel let down too

I always thought he would be shit

I wanted Dan Jarvis or Keir Starmer but neither of them stepped up.

And where the bloody hell is Yvette Cooper these days?!

Dismissed as Blairite by the Corbynites, probably. It's an exclusive system.

Sorry that makes no sense re Cooper, I was thinking of pre-resignations status rather than more recently.

Am guessing that all the Labour big gun MPs with potential to lead are keeping their heads down for the moment, waiting to see what happens re Limpet Jeremy and Sacrificial Ange.

glass I hope you are right, I'm not sure there will be a party left to lead at this rate though.

Len McClusky, John McDonnell, Diane Abbott, Jeremy Corbyn and Hamas. It's like a nightmare dinner party isn't it

You forgot Hezbollah would also be invited

It's hard to see how they can resolve it without splitting. In a way I hope that the dissenting MPs organise themselves into something separate rather than wasting energy trying to patch things up.

So do I

But the know that Corbyn has a lot of support with party members so a challenge right now will probably go his way

Great another 10 years of Tory rule

I think he'll go, maybe not now but soon.

I think he'll go, maybe not now but soon

If he doesn't go now and there is a snap GE then Labour are well and truly stuffed.

I wish I felt the same

I think he will hold on for as long as he can and split the party

Caitlin you forgot Martin McGuinness, whose face seems to have been on the news quite a bit lately - no doubt McDonnell would find a place for him at the table too

I posted ages ago that at this rate they'd need to prise JC's fingers from his office door frame. At the time I was largely joking ... now I'm not so sure

Eagle has again threatened to stand against him. Hasn't actually done it, though.

I agree Piglet

My fear is that he won't go in decent time.

My hope is for a deal to be brokered whereby he stands down without losing face and Labour select a leader who will get on with the business of leading.

At the moment he is not showing himself in a good light at all. I know someone, a life long Labour Party member and activist who met with him last year. He told them he would stand down if he thought it was damaging the party. Well it is, and he isn't.

*if he thought his leadership was damaging the party, that should say.

A recording of Neil Kinnock's speech denouncing Cornyn to the PLP has been leaked to the press - recording and transcript here

Thanks for that lala.

My FB feed is now full of frothing bile, personal insults and hatred against Kinnock and the 'traitors' - and not one solid suggestion of how they are going to extract themselves from this political mess.

It seems the talks have broken down.

I'm a Labour voter, never been a member, but I'm joining just to vote against Corbyn. He's a liability and I'm not standing by to watch the Labour Party get shredded the first time he has to stand up against May/Leadsom. I know that there are many tens of thousands of people joining Labour to vote for Corbyn to stay as the leader but Labour is never, ever going to win an election with him "in charge".

BTW, I've just read this Kinnock interview in which he states that, when Benn (backed by Corbyn) challenged his leadership in the 1980s, Kinnock still had to get 51 MP nominations to get his name on the ballot and, as far as he is aware, the rules haven't changed. I hope to God, he's right.

I think Labour could win with Corbyn I really do - look how popular he's been with Labour members across the country, rather than the PLP.

Especially if he's up against Theresa May (or heaven forbid the even worse Andrea Leadsom) after the fiasco of the referendum which no-one really wanted and has left us all in the *

Keep going Corbyn, stranger things have happened!

I think he would have a chance at coalition if Tories are led by Leadsom, but how could he manage to work with another party?!

Genuine question, Juggling, I'm truly asking in a spirit of inquiry, not aggression, could you give me examples of occasions when you feel JC has led the party well in the past 10 months. I'm not talking about times where his principles have chimed with yours but moments when he has really landed a punch on the Conservatives. I can't think of a single one, I'm afraid. It saddened me but now I'm just furious that, at a time when the left should be shredding the Tories, I just feel embarrassed by this hapless, uselessi individual.

I've rejoined the LP to vote against Corbyn. LP members I know are in despair at his inability to oppose the Tories effectively. Apparently most members who joined pre 2010 are against him. His support base is mostly the "£3 Trots" middle class North London radicals and students but unfortunately there are a lot of them.