Corbyn still hanging in there

[NightWanderer]

I actually quite admire that. Hanging tough. I think it shows a sharp contrast to Cameron who can't get out of things soon enough.

Could Corbyn actually be the next PM?

Do those that jump to Corbyn's defense every single time realise how much damage they are doing to the party

Their bullying, anti semitism and sexist behaviour is more in line with what we might expect from UKIP and most importantly what does Jeremy Cornyn do about it nothing as it appears to be justified to him

Many of the Labour Party membership are so involved with inner party politics that they seem oblivious to the fact that has no impact on voters they don't care they just want a party that speaks to
them, listens to them and has a leader they have confidence in and we know that's not happening because of how people vote

Do those that jump to Corbyn's defense every single time realise how much damage they are doing to the party

No don't think they care.

Some would rather carry on with the dangerous conspiracy theories etc which have lead to at least one death threat.

Neither of these current factions are appealing to bog standard voters imo. Career politicians v modern day Militant Tendency. They will end up fighting over the dead body of what was the Labour Party.

Apparently Corbyn is engaging in talks with MPs 'with an open mind'.

Cos he's well-known for his flexible, engaging personality, isn't he?

His followers won't kindly on any compromises and he knows that, so he has nowhere to go with negotiations. I wonder if he'll even be allowed out of his bunker.

Who knows. There are some saying he will step down if McDonall goes on the ballot. That would be jumping out of the frying pan and into the fire!

Not sure I agree with the unions 'helping' either tbh.

Oh silly me, he's not talking to the MPs. He's talking to Len McCluskey.

Ugh at creepy Minder McDonnell taking over from him

How grim.

And how ironic that the MPs are furiously accused of being 'treacherous traiters' when they are effectively exercising their right to go on strike.

I will never forgive the Corbynites for this. Their first loyalty should be to the Party, not an individual. For all their shenanigans of late, the Tories don't behave like this. This would never happen in the Conservative party, because they actually want to win. And the annoying thing is, they will never admit that they are to blame.

What the hell happens now?

I mean the corbyn lot are to blame, obviously. Can't blame the Tories for everything

What ever you think of the Tories their leadership contest is nearly done and dusted.

Labour are still not decided on anything. Summer recess in a couple of weeks so this could drag on until September!

Correct once again, Tiggy - under the circumstances I think "frightening" is a justifiable word to use

Given their behaviour, perhaps it would be best for the present Labour Party to come to an end, or at least morph into something more acceptable .. those of us who actively want a functioning opposition can hardly wait

But the Corbynites are being loyal to the party, they're being loyal to the grassroot Labour supporters who voted him in and with whom he still has a lot of support.

It's the more Tory leaning Labour MPs who want to go back to the days of
Blair and make the party a Tory lite party who want rid of him. But that's not what the labour voters want.

Exactly piglet. I read a great article in the paper (can't remember which one) about how the Tories had identified their weakest link (Boris) and got rid, and the machine then ruthlessly carries on. It's bloody impressive, whatever you think of them as people. It gives people confidence in voting for them, because it's so efficiently run.

It's about time Labour had a female leader. I know they've had female acting leaders in the past but they've never actually elected a woman leader. The Tories next leader will be female and of course they had Mrs Thatcher.

Yes LP members like and support Corbyn but that isn't the only consideration.

The general public is not comprised exclusively of LP members - they are the people that need to be convinced.

Simon Labour voters vote Labour whoever is in charge. What about the voters leaving Labour for UKIP? Getting rid of Corbyn doesn't mean going back to someone like Blair. It just means getting someone who can communicate their ideas better, and actually lead. Oh, and preferably someone who doesn't have a history of associating with terrorists

I get what you're saying Simon but after all there's a difference between the LP members who, as you say, still seem to support JC and Labour voters in general

Call me dense, but I honestly can't see how voting for someone who the vast majority of the PLP simply can't work with is ever going to help - at least if the party want to remain electable

... preferably someone who doesn't have a history of associating with terrorists

Now come on, be fair Apparently JC's said he now regrets calling Hamas and Hezbollah his friends

Maybe someone, somewhere might even believe him ...

But these so called grass roots labour supporters made no impact in the local elections labour have been in a position to trash the Tories but they are not

And from what I have seen of JC grass root supporters they have been students and socialists that are stuck in the 80's

What about the usual labour voters who didn't vote labour last time but voted for the SNP because the Scottish voters didn't think that the Labour Party at the time was left wing enough? At least that's what I heard plenty of people say at the time of the last GE.

I didn't vote labour last time, I voted for the Green Party. I would vote labour under Corbyn.

It's a fair point Simon, but with the massive increase in Scottish nationalism I'm not actually convinced that anyone but the SNP would have won up there. Granted it was a worse wipeout than expected for Labour, but a loss is still a loss however it's spun

I would vote labour under Corbyn

You might. Many many others wouldn't.

Even if I were a left wing Labour member I would not vote for Corbyn after this. I am totally disgusted at him and his cronies holding all his colleagues to ransom in this way. It is entirely unprincipled. He should have agreed to stand aside for an alternative left wing candidate that people can actually work with

As someone who was thrilled JC got in, why is he still there? What else is he hoping to achieve? How can he continue facing every day with such a barrage of hostility from everywhere but die hard leftie keyboard warriors?

I just don't get it, he needs to admit defeat and leave before he becomes the laughing stock of British political history