So the people were right about EU Superstate Military....

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"Has Britain avoided a ‘European superstate’? France and Germany ‘draw up plans to morph EU countries into one with control over members’ armies and economies’"

"Plans for 'a closer European Union' have been branded an attempt to create a 'European superstate'.

Germany's foreign minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier and his French counterpart Jean-Marc Ayrault today presented a proposal for closer EU integration based on three key areas - internal and external security, the migrant crisis, and economic cooperation.

But the plans have been described as an 'ultimatum' in Poland, with claims it would mean countries transfer their armies, economic systems and border controls to the EU."

*Apparently Poland is very unhappy with this as they do not want German troops on their soil again and have threatened to negotiate with Russians (whom they were recently asking for protection from).

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3662827/Has-Britain-avoided-European-superstate-France-Germany-draw-plans-morph-EU-countries-one-control-members-armies-economies.html

Ok, let's break this down. OP you have quoted three news sources: two are scary and one is neutral. You have said yourself that Reuters is a neutral news source so basically you can trust it. What does the Reuters news source say? Nothing particularly scary, a lot about cooperation*

What about the other two sources? One is the Daily Mail which we all know is anti-foreigner and anti-EU. The other is Pravda - ok, its name means truth but let's look beyond that. Does Putin have an agenda? Well, I don't think Putin ever DOESN'T have an agenda. He has already said that he wants the UK to leave so I hope you realise that you are doing exactly what he wants.

*of course you might not even want this form of EU force - and that is your opinion. But if you didn't want it at all as we keep on saying, you should have voted IN. Now you will have no say in how it is implemented or used.

I'm perfectly happy for there to be an EU Force I don't want to be part of it or to lose the British Army so obviously it's another reason for an Out vote. To vote In so we have a say is twisted logic. I don't want Britain to be part of an EU Superstate it's blatantly obvious that Britain even as the second biggest contributor couldn't get any concessions on the big issues being In would make no difference the EU Superstate juggernaut would keep rolling over the wishes of the people.

1. stop saying people when you mean some people
2. what do you mean by no concessions? We've had lots of concessions. More than the other countries.
3. we may not be in it but we'll all be paying for it. Lose/lose situation.
4. who said anything about losing the British Army - that IS scaremongering.

Tbf, the EU has form in rolling out "plans, proposals" as laws because they get so damned big before the paperwork is even signed that there's no going back.

I thought everyone knew that (and ergo lack of democracy) about the eu.

Before the referendum this came up onLBC . They had Heseltine and someone else answering listeners questions and someone rang in about this and EU tax codes (another potential) - Heseltine was clear that we had a veto which he'd agreed when defence secretary.
So, yes it was a possibility but relied on the UK exercising a veto if we were in.

I think that this is indicative of the next steps for EU (yes, it's exactly the same tentative language as was used for the Cameron deal, and the future of the tampon tax).

Cherry-picking when to believe EU speak literally (all tentative, doesn't matter) and when to see it as code (they have to put it like that, but they're going to do it) isn't a terribly sound basis.

This was, I think, held back because EU knew it would harden the Leave vote. It's certainly not getting much publicity?

Words fail me. People buying DM as gospel truth and ignoring other facts.

Shit, this is reality isn't it?

I'm am so so glad I voted out because of exactly this. All those countries joined together under the reign of a few men. Too much room for corruption.

The very thought of this makes me shudder.

There are other news links not just the daily fail.

Well its much more likely to happen now isnt it

Now we are not at the table and unable to veto this stuff

It's interesting that you have quoted the Reuters link, OP, and yet you seem incapable of understanding it. It does not back up the claims that you are making at all.

I haven't read your Daily Mail source as I won't stoop that low.

There are other news links not just the daily fail.

Kim, please could you provide links to some other reliable sources?

Kim, have you read the original document? Why would the EU want something like this? It's scaremongering! And leavers called the other side Project Fear?

But yes - at least if it does now happen we won't be part of any joint defence initiatives, can you imagine having to work alongside others? Sickens me! It'll just be us on our own - huzzah! God bless Her Madge and the glorious British Navy, envy of the seas. Rule Britannia!

Oh no wait.

broken there is this search engine, it's called Google. I did a search this morning and it came up with a few. Have a bash you might see the same.

inshock why would you want to live in a 'super state' - one army, one police ect.. As ultimately that would be the end goal. Millions and millions of people all under a hand full of non elected men. You might find that idea lovely but it's not for me. The men who run this country are liars and fraudsters on each side - if we were all turned in to some Huge superstate it would be hideous as people are open to corruption and to have a whole Eurozone controlled in this manner is very George Orwell. It's not for me. I couldn't think of any thing worse! An authoritarian Euro Government dictating to many countries - (shudder) no thanks!

Documents and contracts can be changed. Too much power over too many people. A country should decided what's best for its people not some randoms who's only goals are for the benefit of the EU - not us.

Why people would blindly and trustingly give that up I don't know. Bizzare! It's like the bloody pied piper!

I would suspect the reason for it not being widely published in the uk is because it's scare mongering, inaccurate bollocks.

We have a very free press in this country. So yes, they are free to publish bollocks but they are also free to engage in serious investigative journalism. Quite telling then that this is limited to the Mail, that bastion of unbiased and accurate journalism.

The daily mail isn't the only site it's on.

Well its much more likely to happen now isnt it
Now we are not at the table and unable to veto this stuff

the whole project will unravel now that Britain has had the gumption to leave

What the far right polish websites quoted above? Or the Russian sites? Because am sure they are fair and accurate

The Reuters one doesn't exactly give the same story does it.

I suppose tilder you can just keep going and going till you find articles that suit you better, on both sides.

Either way, I'm glad we're out because if it's bullshit the rest of the EU will live in the apparent 'bliss' some remainers think they do and if it's true - then thank fuck we won't be a party to it. It's a win on on both sides.

Or you can look at sites that don't have an agenda like the Mail, Reuters as a news agency will report it straight as it relies its reputation for impartial reporting to do so.

Or you can just believe the stuff that confirms what you already think, which you have demonstrated you do in the past.

Yeah, the Reuters link has a completely different story to the Mail. The latter is the kind of crap twisted lies that have caused Brexit. Please don't spread them anymore.

In fact the Reuters one sounds like a common sense policy that covers one of the failings I thought the EU had - it acknowledges that one-size-fits-all is wrong and looks to communal responsibility for the borders instead of leaving the (generally poorer) countries there to shoulder the burden alone. Shame that the EU, which the leave campaign insisted couldn't reform, is doing so now after we've declared to leave.

kimonono I don't keep going until I find something that reinforces my view. I look at various sources critically, consider vested interests etc. Then take a view on which is more likely to be bollocks and which is more likely to be accurate. I don't expect any to have the full story.

I do hope Brexit voters aren't going to continue trawling the Web for tinpot theories that bolster their reasons for leaving. It will be very tiresome. Doesn't help the general impression the rest of us have regarding those who voted Brexit.