Has Boris been outmanoevered? Will someone please tell me who is in charge?

[RedToothBrush]

Thread two from

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/eu_referendum_2016_/2670552-Has-Boris-been-outmanoeuvred?pg=1

So that's the two leaders gone at a time when the country needed stability in politics....
Great 😭

Corbyn says he can ignore the vote according to Labour's rule book....

...whether he will after that thumping I'm not sure.

Corbyn needs to go. He's not seeing the forest for the trees.

What the country needs is not gentle ideological purity. What it needs is a hard-hitting, charismatic, electable opposition leader.

(No idea where to find this rare bird, though...)

So some of his shadow cabinet abstained rather that vote in support? And they're his allies!

172 for
40 against
4 spoilt ballots
13 didn't vote

The New Statesman’s George Eaton says that, on the basis of these figures, Jeremy Corbyn would fail to get the 50 signatures he would need to nominate him for a leadership contest without the backing of 10 MEPs (who are now included in the group that can nominate candidates).

But whether or not Corbyn would need to be nominated in a future leadership contest is a moot point. There is conflicting legal advice on this. His supporters have counsel’s opinion saying Corbyn would automatically be on the ballot, as a serving leader, but his opponents have legal advice saying the opposite.

So do Labour now have a constitutional crisis.

Corbyn has now officially REFUSED to resign:

In the aftermath of last week’s referendum, our country faces major challenges. Risks to the economy and living standards are growing. The public is divided.

The government is in disarray. Ministers have made it clear they have no exit plan, but are determined to make working people pay with a new round of cuts and tax rises.

Labour has the responsibility to give a lead where the government will not. We need to bring people together, hold the government to account, oppose austerity and set out a path to exit that will protect jobs and incomes.

To do that we need to stand together. Since I was elected leader of our party nine months ago, we have repeatedly defeated the government over its attacks on living standards.

Last month, Labour become the largest party in the local elections. In Thursday’s referendum, a narrow majority voted to leave, but two thirds of Labour supporters backed our call for a remain vote.

I was democratically elected leader of our party for a new kind of politics by 60% of Labour members and supporters, and I will not betray them by resigning. Today’s vote by MPs has no constitutional legitimacy.

We are a democratic party, with a clear constitution. Our people need Labour party members, trade unionists and MPs to unite behind my leadership at a critical time for our country

Fucking hell, why does everything go tits up at the same time?

I would gladly throttle Corbyn right now.

Jesus, Jeremy, your position is untenable.

Just fuck off now.

We do need a proper opposition now.

And you can't provide it.

What is the matter with that man? Now is not the time to go all Lenin about it and cling on.

If Corbyn CAN stand for the leadership, there is a fair chance he could still stay as leader. He would have the mandate 'of the people'.

If this happens what happens to all the Labour MPs who have just voted against him?

DH reckons they could resign as MPs completely, sparking a whole load of by elections....

This is potentially a left lurch....

Keanu Reeves is in the House of Commons.

For real.

SAVE US KEANU.

Maybe we should embalm him and stick him in a tomb somewhere near the Houses of Parliament.

According to the New Statesman’s George Eaton, Rosie Winterton, the chief whip, and John Cryer, the chair of the PLP, are going to see Jeremy Corbyn to tell him that the game is up.

They are unlikely to have much luck. Tom Watson, Labour’s deputy leader, tried this on Monday and did not get anywhere.

If you read Rosa Prince’s very useful biography of Corbyn, two themes emerge very strongly. First, Corbyn is incredibly stubborn. He could not have spent his life campaigning for unfashionable causes if he wasn’t. And, second, in any contest between his principles/conscience and the interests of the PLP, the PLP always comes out second. That is why he merrily defied the Labour whip so often.

Keanu!

Cometh the hour..

Stubborn doesn't seem to come close!

Politicians normally go down the 'you can't sack me, I resign' route.
'You can't sack me because I'm not going' is a bit of a new one.

Hello, been lurking obsessively on this wonderful thread.
Just hear Alistair Campbell saying he could see the Labour party splitting in two if Jeremy doesn't resign/wins the next vote.
Remembering the SDP they all kept their seats until the next election when that happened.

I actually respect Jeremy a bit more for staying put. We've got enough chaos right now without adding to it. If the rebels want a new leader then they can pursue that through proper channels, not this barely-concealed bullying.

A split seems inevitable at this stage doesn't it?

Just hear Alistair Campbell saying he could see the Labour party splitting in two

Again ?

De lurking.
thanks for the thread.
Pleeease keep on going.
I thought I was quite well informed politically, but jeez, you all put me to shame. ---who ARE you, Redtoothbrush and Ricecrispies?!!! So Clever!!
Also what a wake up call, I'm sure I'm not alone in being so ignorant about how the brussels parliament works.
What a mess.It sounds OTT, but I feel proper heartbroken.

Refusing to resign when his parliamentary party so overwhelmingly doesn't have confidence in him is adding to the chaos.

We need an opposition.

Those people you are ignoring are our MPs.

Not a bunch od socialist worker plants.

Stupid, arrogant twat.