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Has Boris been outmanoevered? Will someone please tell me who is in charge?

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RedToothBrush · 27/06/2016 21:17

Thread two from

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/eu_referendum_2016_/2670552-Has-Boris-been-outmanoeuvred?pg=1

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RedToothBrush · 28/06/2016 17:22

Meanwhile in the BLUE CORNER
DECLARED
Steven Crabb (homophobic evangelical Christian - remainer)
John Baron (former army and merchant wanker, regular rebel, who voted against Iraq, Syria and Libya - leaver)

STILL CONSIDERING (Officially at least)
Jeremy Hunt (hunt the cunt - leaver)
Liam Fox (second attempt at the leadership. has been key player calling for party unity - leaver)
Boris Johnson (megalomanic with a Churchill fixation - leaver)
Theresa May (Big Brother is watching you. Or deporting you - remainer)
Andrea Leadsom (your mum - leaver)
Dominic Raab (apparently social media friendly - leaver)
Nicky Morgan (going for the second woman in the hat ticket - remainer)

OUT OR APPARENTLY OUT
George Osbourne
Sajid Javid (Team Crabb)
Michael Gove (Team Johnson)

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MitzyLeFrouf · 28/06/2016 17:24

I've only just noticed that Lynton Crosby is going to be overseeing Boris' campign to become PM. Lynton Crosby is a fucking tumour in British politics who is far too fond of racist tactics. Utter cunt of a man.

RedToothBrush · 28/06/2016 17:24

WELL...... Unite look like they are backing Corbyn....

BBC:
Unite boss Len McCluskey says, if there is a Labour leadership election, Corbyn's supporters 'will be ready'

Len McCluskey, the head of Unite which is the party’s biggest financial backer, said that the behaviour of Labour’s MPs has been “extraordinary” and diverted attention from a Tory government in crisis.

If anyone wants to change the Labour leadership, they must do it openly and democratically through an election, not through resignations and pointless posturing. If there has to be such an election, Jeremy Corbyn’s supporters throughout the movement will be ready for it.

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MitzyLeFrouf · 28/06/2016 17:26

Seriously, a list of ghouls and freaks. What is the least worst option?

Someone ask Keanu.

Felascloak · 28/06/2016 17:26

I wonder if Sadiq Khan could run as labour leaver. I love Sadiq.

Chalalala · 28/06/2016 17:30

What the FUCK is Corbyn playing at

It doesn't matter if he has all the legitimacy in the world, at this point what matters is Labour's ability to effectively oppose the Tory. And there is no way, NO WAY he can effectively lead the party right now

Chalalala · 28/06/2016 17:31

*Tories

FarAwayHills · 28/06/2016 17:31

Is that it then? The best and brightest in politics expected to lead us through the most turbulent times.
We're doomedShock

Any chance David Milliband will return to save Labour?

MitzyLeFrouf · 28/06/2016 17:32

'Dutch PM Rutte gives delay on Art 50 triggering, because: "England has collapsed politically, monetarily, constitutionally and economically"

FarAwayHills · 28/06/2016 17:33

Glad the Dutch PM is telling it how it is.

BreakingDad77 · 28/06/2016 17:34

David milliband needs to come in from the cold.

Alisvolatpropiis · 28/06/2016 17:34

I've heard rumour he is back in the UK, Far.

One can hope, I suppose!

DoinItFine · 28/06/2016 17:38

Labour leaver might be too right Felas

HalleLouja · 28/06/2016 17:39

Alis I heard his wife's job in NY was over and they were coming back but that was months ago. Maybe if he was labour leader all along we wouldn't be in this mess. As in we might not have this Tory government. Maybe he could go for the sadly vacant seat in Yorkshire.

HalleLouja · 28/06/2016 17:40

Lots of maybes...

RedToothBrush · 28/06/2016 17:42

Article 50 trigger date - looking like 2017
Date set for Tory Leadership Decision: Fri Sept 9.
Rumours are that October 13th would be date for an emergency GE, IF one were triggered
Labour Leadership contest? FUCK KNOWS

Hastily arranged treasury select committee hearing on the implications of Brexit, has been attended by mainly Remain MPs (remember MOST MPs are Remain so that doesn't say much) plus Labour’s John Mann and Tory MP Jacob Rees Mogg.

Lord Turnbull said the government would be misguided if it notified the European Commission of a decision to leave using article 50 before Whitehall was sure what ministers were asking for.

Pressed by the committee chair Andrew Tyrie, he said it would be unwise to trigger article 50 until next year, and possibly not until the spring, though probably not later to avoid French and German officials being distracted by parliamentary and presidential elections, due in the autumn of 2017.

“What we don’t want is trigger article 50 and then for Angela Merkel to turn around and say she doesn’t want to talk to us because she has bigger fish to fry,” Turnbull said.

“It’s a lot of work to get through. A new cabinet and front bench will need to get into their jobs and then into the details of trading arrangements, what we are going to offer on the movement of people. We are not going to get all we want on one and not make a concession on the other,” he said.

Turnbull said he supported basing the Brexit team in the cabinet office, but argued that Oliver Letwin should only be a stop gap head of the negotiating team.

“The government has started building an apparatus and I think it’s in the right place in the Cabinet Office. At the moment it is under the charge of Oliver Letwin, who I think is completely unsuitable in the longer term. He has spent the last six years as a kind of consigliere of the prime minister. He has been absolutely at the heart of No 10. And that is not the profile needed for carrying its work forward.”

He said it needed someone committed to the cause of Brexit.

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JassyRadlett · 28/06/2016 17:44

Someone reported Miliband being seen at Heathrow on Saturday (? - long week) night.

And of course there is a by-election looming. I'm not sure he's the right person, to be honest, given the poison with which the Corbyn supporters are deploying the word 'Blairite'. The leader needs to be someone with the leadership ability (and the desire) to unite the party, including the PLP. Corbyn has never shown much interest in that.

Meanwhile you have Diane Abbott saying that wanting to win elections is 'Westminster-centric' and the head of Momentum saying that the grassroots know what ordinary voters want better than their MPs. Momentum seem to have zero respect for MPs in general, because they were only elected by the voting public....

PigletJohn · 28/06/2016 17:47

If Article 50 says that giving notice starts the clock ticking on the Divorce negotiations, then it would be crazy to do it before UK has decided what its objectives and plan are.

There again, it would also be crazy to have a referendum without having established the objectives and plan, and we did that.

FarAwayHills · 28/06/2016 17:49

David Miliband v Boris in a GE in October.... Could it possibly happen?

RedToothBrush · 28/06/2016 17:52

I believe that the next round of EU elections are May/June 2019.
So I would say that might be a two year cut off / possible leaving date.

Jack Straw:
"the most serious crisis since at least 1935, when we had another incompetent pacifist leader. It is a "Trotskyist fantasy" that Jeremy Corbyn can carry on as Labour leader"

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GingerIvy · 28/06/2016 17:52

How does Article 7 come into this? If we look at waiting until spring 2017, can the EU be impatient and boot us out?

It seems to me that there are quite a few people that like Corbyn - perhaps those very same people that are disconnected from government to begin with? - and Labour are trying to bring in someone more dynamic, whereas the people that want Corbyn want someone more trustworthy. I can see both sides. I do like Corbyn, and I have to respect him planting his feet, because people ARE pushing for him to stay and he's just doing what he feels is right for those people. The problem is that Labour has no decent people that can lead, unfortunately, from what I've seen. Or at least precious few, and none of them have a huge public profile, do they?

With the Tories, it's the just least offensive.

GingerIvy · 28/06/2016 17:53

The irony of seeing a number of people tell Blair that he could be like Churchill and make a spectacular comeback after being out of office, whereas Boris seems to be channelling Churchill at the moment (although I'm not sure if it's the statesman or the insurance dog Hmm).

GingerIvy · 28/06/2016 17:55

Huffington Post UK ‏@HuffPostUK 17m17 minutes ago
Interesting thought. Ministers of Crown Act 1937 gives Speaker power to choose official leader of Opposition if uncertainty over who it is.

noblegiraffe · 28/06/2016 17:56

Lest we forget.

Has Boris been outmanoevered? Will someone please tell me who is in charge?
PlatoTheGreat · 28/06/2016 17:59

The issue with Labour is that they have members that want one thing (in line with JC) and some MO that want something else (and so are against JC)
What would sound democratic/logical for me is for the MPs to follow JC until things have settled down a bit rather than just making the collapse of all the political institutions even worse.
What I'm not sure about is if JC will managed to make himself heard or have the right leadership b