AIBU to think many Remainers will echo Lily Allen

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Lily voted to remain, but is now exited about brexit and admits she was brainwashed by project fear.

I feel many uneducated and easily swayed remainders like her will see actually change is good, as it was shit and this is a real change.

Yes I thought so, so we should still beable to travel/work etc as we've always done, at least some good news out of all this.

Many people on here appear to believe that the Leave campaign was full of lies.

The remain campaign may have made wild predictions, but the £350 is verifiably wrong now And always has been - it wasn't just interpretation it was completely wrong - yet it was a central part of the leave campaign, front and centre on websites and still being used right up to polling day, long after it had been discredited.

merrymouse, I do and have always hated what Farage is and what he stands for. The fact that he was unelected and therefore powerless to do anything at all other than 'figurehead' the campaign had some appeal.

I didn't vote Leave because of immigration issues. I want the buoyancy of economic immigration in the UK, always have, and I'm hopeful that when the dust has settled this will realistically continue in the same way it is.

merry mouse that is quite true. The £350 million a week statement was very misleading - however, it is a fact that the UK is a net CONTRIBUTOR to the EU, to the tune of £8.5 BILLION a year - source: fullfact.org/europe/our-eu-membership-fee-55-million/

Brexiteers haven't fucking shut up since the 1970s....

And I suspect the same will now be said of the Remainers now that the tide has turned against them

The EU isn't perfect and needs reforming
Sadly the fact of the matter was that the EU was unwilling to reform at all prior to this vote. You are kidding yourself if you really believed that any reform was going to happen at all. Just take a look at that 'damp squib' of a deal David Cameron came back with. It was only yesterday, for the first time ever, did I read in the FT that suddenly now the EU are talking about reform as they now fear contagion in other parts of the EU.

Well, of course they won't shut up any more than the Brexiteers did. They are all human beings...

Our UK democracy needs reform. It's taking centuries...

Only half way through the thread but just has nailed the whole MN thing for me

I dont get why so many leave people are making threads about how mean remainers are being to them

Be magnanimous in victory...and stop fucking whining

LittleBearPad, I know he did. He conceded/un-conceded in an idiotic manner. But he's an idiot. And he's unelected, any drivel that comes out of his mouth isn't representative of anybody because he doesn't represent them.

I would be quite happy for there to be another referendum; albeit it, any question of 'democracy' would immediately lose credibility. I personally think this issue was too important to be decided by people who weren't really sure of the reasons why they were voting and what they were voting for. No argument from me at all on that but what kind of electorate do we have? I know of people who vote Tory because their favourite colour is blue...

I truly think that we need reform in this country because the politicians are out of touch with their people and that's what this referendum has inadvertently displayed - dissatisfaction on a grand scale. It's impossible to pick out the 'protest votes' from the 'proper votes' - and it's a cock-up on a monumental scale that is going to be difficult if not impossible to back-track from.

I don't like that the UK is going to be perceived as a laughing stock... I don't think anybody relishes that fact.

I voted remain, but why are so many remainders saying "my children won't beable to study/work/live in europe now"? We'll be keeping the free movement of people anyway won't we? (I hope)

Well we don't know do we? We don't know if the terms for students will be the same as the would have been as European citizens or if they will be the same as other foreign students. We don't know the implications for places or fees or insurance. We don't know if English language taught courses will disappear, we don't know if students will be able to remain in Europe after graduation if they don't have a job right away or even if they do. We don't know if they will be able to stay if they lose their job or take mat leave or become a SAHP. We don't know what will happen with healthcare if the reciprocal agreement goes, or even if the reciprocal agreement will go. We don't know if British people will be able to have free access to Europe for extended periods to provide childcare to grandchildren. We don't have a fucking clue. I'm sure it will all become clear but you can't deny its a bit shit for the under 18s who had no say but are directly and imminently impacted.

And the fact is, a lot of Brexiteers are also going to be complaining loudly, because people voted out for lots of different reasons and a lot of them will be very unhappy with what they actually get out of it. The result will be everyone at everyone else's throats...

Do11y, somebody needs to be a net contributor in terms of their membership of any club otherwise it's some weird Ponzi scheme.

You pay for the benefits of membership. Nobody can accurately put a figure on what those benefits are, but in non monetary terms they are strengthening Europe as a place where countries share common values, access to trade, and cross border co-operation on things like climate agreements, safety regulations and security.

Of course we can have all those things outside the EU, but in the end it will probably look an awful lot like being inside the EU.

Agree it's awful for the under 18s hama, but I can't see the English language courses going anywhere. They weren't necessarily aimed primarily at Brits anyway. It makes a lot of sense to offer courses in the lingua franca (no pun intended). If you're a Dutch university and you want to appeal to as broad an international base as possible, you're going to teach in English. British people are quite a small percentage of that broad client group.

I was a remain and wasn't brainwashed.

However, I'm not one of the remains who is signing petitions for another referendum, joining "we are the 48 groups" and slagging off leave voters. I've been through all of that already with the aftermath of the Scottish Indy referendum and it was AWFUL. Just so divisive and horrible.

I don't like the result, not happy about it and don't think it's the best for the UK. It also raises the prospect of yet more turmoil in Scotland. But we live in a democracy, the majority have spoken, we just have to put it behind us and make the best of the situation going forward.

Our UK democracy needs reform. It's taking centuries...
What you witnessed on Thursday was democratic. Whether you agree with it or not, everyone in Britain who was eligible to vote had an equal opportunity and vote in this referendum. So the result does not sit well with some people. I suspect many are right that if the vote had turned out the other way we would also have seen a massive uprising from the Brexiters. The problem with the Leave campaign was that there were several different reasons why people might vote leave (economy, control, immigration etc), but only one core reason to stay (stronger in, supposedly). It is a real shame you have Nigel Farage backing the Leave side, his message was totally inconsistent with many of the people backing Leave that I have spoken with. But there has always been a nasty minority and unfortunately that was going to exist whether we stayed or leave.

Oh, an on the issue of democracy, I would like to highlight to you the response of the 6 founding members of the EU, who all scuttled off to have an emergency meeting on Saturday to discuss matters. If the EU really was a democracy with all 27 (28 including UK) equal democratic partners, why wasn't everyone there? The Estonian president was quite right to raise this.

No I'm not in the least bit excited. I'm bloody, fucking angry.

Agree with luna

And for the record i do think SOME leave voters are stupid and racist but i also know that SOME remain voters are stupid and racist

I think that a huge gamble is being made by leave voters, i am not much of a gambler but i am honestly looking forward to being proved wrong about voting remain

I am however sad that its happened, i think that the country is going to lose scotland and will no longer be the UK

I don't believe that if the vote had gone the other way, the 'Brexiters' would have behaved in the same way as so many 'Remainers' are.

Have you seen how some Brexiters are behaving now that they've won? Open racism on the streets, legitimised (they now feel) by the results. Don't fucking pretend that Brexiters are all high-minded. Christ knows what those thugs would have done if they'd lost. Or what they'll do when, despite the vote, the foreigners don't go back to where they came from.

hama yes you are right, we just don't know. I guess I was over simplifying it. Does anyone know how it works in Switzerland and Norway? We will most likely be the same as them? What a mess!

Lily Allen is right, I was brainwashed into voting remain. I'm now a super-excited-giggly-girl, and can't wait for my DH to lose his job (he teaches CITB apprentice students).

Such fun and excitement

FFS!

Says something about UK society when Lily Allen is being held up as a paragon of virtue.

I don't know a single remain voter who is excited in any way about what is to come. I suppose it's far easier to be excited about your future with several million pounds behind you.

LyingWitch. He is elected. He's an MEP, a pretty lousy one to be fair but nevertheless he does represent people. He is also the leader of UKIP. We shouldn't ignore his inane drivel just because he isn't an MP.