AIBU to think many Remainers will echo Lily Allen

[sandrabedminster]

Lily voted to remain, but is now exited about brexit and admits she was brainwashed by project fear.

I feel many uneducated and easily swayed remainders like her will see actually change is good, as it was shit and this is a real change.

It isn't remotely flawed piranha. It would only be so if i had asserted that all cities voted out, whereas in fact it is simply that more did. Nor did i accuse you of cherry picking by excluding NI. It smacked of much worse, of not giving a fuck about them.

To those saying that the 'Norway Model' is something to aim for...why? They pay in as much as us, are part of the EEA so have to have free movement and accept a lot of other controls for access to the single market but they have no voice. They are rule-takers not rule-makers. So why is that a good deal for us?

wherestheweightlosspill you are concerned that our political leaders aren't to be trusted to do a better job than the EU in representing your priorities. This is an argument I've heard several times.

For example, people have more confidence in the EU to create laws to protect workers rights but the Equal Pay Act was passed by the UK Parliament 3 years before we joined the EU.

My confidence is in our system. If we don't like our politicians we can vote them out. We can't do that with EU laws because the UK has such a low percentage of the total votes.

So, for example, since the announcement of the EU army, that was delayed until the day after the referendum, we could have found our sons conscripted as that is the norm in many EU countries.

In the fantasy world where the EU ignores the power of veto and starts to try to conscript UK civilians into an EU army, the UK could just leave.

However, the strong likelihood is that outside the EU we will still have to abide by their regulations and accept freedom of movement - as the leave leaders are increasingly making clear.

However if you are worried about Turkey entering the EU, by leaving the UK gives up its veto.

I cannot vote my MP out. I have to get other people to join with me. Similarly, the UK in the EU was part of a democracy where people had to work together with others to get their voice heard.

We will still have to work with the EU, but now we don't have a vote. (And after Farage's speech, they have a real motive to tell us where to go).

we could have found our sons conscripted....

Except we couldn't. Bullshit scaremongering.

'UK law also states that no such common EU defence powers can be handed from the UK to the EU without the approval of parliament and a referendum on the decision. So the government would need the support of both the public and MPs before they could make such a decision.'

fullfact.org/europe/hunt-eu-army/

Are people aware of the planned march? www.facebook.com/events/1732671000335981/

Fossie the equal pay act was passed in this country so that we would meet the joining criteria of the EU, so that's not a very good example.

Fossie, we, as in the UK, seem v close to sleepwalking into a deal with the EU where we maintain the single market, which goes with freedom of movement, yet no power of veto, and no voice in the EU. And it'll cost us. Probably about the same as we currently pay. And we'll have to abide by their laws anyway. That's if we're lucky, and leave with any deal at all. And if we leave with no deal, or no access to the single market, our economy will go down the toilet, along with many educational and work opportunities for our young people. London is highly unlikely to remain the financial capital it is, and when that trickles down, the inevitable recession affects all of us.

There is no way we will stronger outside the EU. Which is what almost everyone bar the very dubious Leave Campaign has been saying all along - "Project Fear" - now better known as "Project Reality" - is why the £ is currently residing at the bottom of a cliff.

Who says - apart from sandrabedminster - that Lily Allen is "uneducated" ??
I expect that she's pretty expensively educated. Sandrabedminster has just phrased the AIBU question in this way to lead everyone by the nose into not disagreeing for fear of appearing "uneducated". Poo

However if you are worried about Turkey entering the EU, by leaving the UK gives up its veto.

Exactamente!

This is what so many Leavers seem to have missed. There isn't a way for the UK not to be impacted by who's in the EU, even if we ourselves were entirely outside the thing. And we are less pro-expansion than some other states. It's more likely to happen when we don't get a say.

And screaming I don't think all the EEA people are necessarily saying it's the best option, just better than nothing at all. I'd take it over no single market access, but it's inferior to being in the EU.

'Better inside the tent pissing out than outside the tent pissing in' as Robert Burns said probably.

CLeggyBlonde, attending school is not the same as being educated.

Fossie, I wish I could vote out the current lot. Because of the voting system (i.e not proportional representation) my vote is virtually useless because of the area I live in, but there you go. To be honest, I had my head in my hands just as much after the last general election and for the same reasons. People voted without researching. For example, the Tories said they would cut £12bn from welfare, without specifying where from - £12bn!! Did no-one care where that would come from? They'd already said it wouldn't be pensions, which is the vast majority of the welfare bill. I assume they thought it would come from the Jeremy Kyle scroungers (we only spend a total of £3bn on unemployment benefit a year), and were surprised when it was going to come from working tax credits i.e hitting the people that are working hard to make ends meet on zero hours contracts or minimum wage jobs etc. The TTIP trade agreement that the EU are negotiating is something I disagree with but David Cameron expressed huge support for (France didn't, so when we say 'The EU' do this and that, Britain has been a huge part of that decision, not just the victims who have it imposed on them, in some cases the driving force).
Re: the announcement of an EU army?? When did that happen? As far as I can tell one EU member said we need one, that's far from an announcement that we're having one!
And as for our government looking after us? It's our government trying to prevent the EU from looking after us (at least in some cases)
www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/apr/01/steel-crisis-uk-accused-blocking-eu-attempts-regulate-chinese-dumping
So I stand by what I said. I think our current government are trying to privatise the NHS, Education, sell off our assets (Royal Mail (gone), Land Registry (they keep trying to sell even though it's profitable), our forests etc. etc.), bedroom tax, disability benefits cut, increase in inheritance tax. Forgive me if I don't believe this is in our best interests. I'm not saying the EU is perfect but having external control isn't necessarily a bad thing, in the same way as having 'Sovereignty' isn't always a good thing.
And as Little Bearpad said re: Equal Pay Act.
And when the people that represent us are people like the unbelievably rude, arrogant Nigel Farage, there's really not much to be proud of

YABU when you can't spell excited or "remainers" but refer to
Remain voters as uneducated. That said I can see your point in trying to gage a broad response to Lilly's comments. She doesn't Echo my opinion though. I voted remain & still feel angry at the uncertainty of this country's future economically, historically and as a society that now seems fearfully devided. Ps I'm degree educated so I'm not in the uneducated group you referred to ....