AIBU to think many Remainers will echo Lily Allen

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Lily voted to remain, but is now exited about brexit and admits she was brainwashed by project fear.

I feel many uneducated and easily swayed remainders like her will see actually change is good, as it was shit and this is a real change.

I hear the sound of fishing line being reeled in.

Actually, what might be fun, is seeing the look on my next-door-neighbours faces (them with their Leave car-stickers), when they find out that immigration is not going to stop.

That might be fun - but, probably not worth the massive upheaval, financial cost and sheer devastation that leaving the EU is going to cause.

The hypocrisy is eye-watering but understandable as so many people just cannot accept the result. The posters who continue to call 'Brexiters' vile names must be complete thugs in RL. I have never before seen so much name-calling without provocation.

This was a democratic vote. Had it gone the other way as it could just as well have, the 'Remainers' would be loudly celebrating. As it is, most 'Brexiters' are keeping their responses more low key. I imagine some will pop along shortly to say that it's 'buyers' remorse' because that's the only thing that seems to pacify those baying for blood. Only the very silly would think that 16 million voters are regretful but the level of vitriol and spite is ridiculous. I'm truly fed up of it.

I'm not sure of the numbers of spoiled ballot papers there were but what a waste of a vote that was.

I don't believe that if the vote had gone the other way, the 'Brexiters' would have behaved in the same way as so many 'Remainers' are. And to what end? All this nastiness is just impotent rage, it will not change the outcome.

Tell you what - you refund the 10s of thousands of pounds that I've lost as a result of the vote, and I'll join you in celebrating

Lily Allen is a vacuous featherbrain. I'm not.

Lynnm do you have a link to that information re France saying no? I have just looked and can't see anything.

I don't believe that if the vote had gone the other way, the 'Brexiters' would have behaved in the same way as so many 'Remainers' are.

Honestly? Farage would just have been setting his sights on the next election and the next referendum.

Except there isn't going to be a do over for Remainers. We have no idea what the borders of our country will look like in 5 year's time, the elected prime minister has resigned, the opposition is in chaos, we don't actually know what Brexit means, and you are really expecting Remainers to shut up?

echt I would take a solid bet with you that not a single voter on either side were swayed by the sight of that boat full of c*nts.

I did ponder that it was a shame that Bono wasn't on the boat as well and that the boat didn't sink.

I don't regret my vote at all

I don't believe that if the vote had gone the other way, the 'Brexiters' would have behaved in the same way as so many 'Remainers' are.

I do. It's an extremely emotive issue. Whichever side won there was going to be a lot of bad feeling from the rest, guaranteed. The implication that only Remainers would be unreasonable about losing is as sweeping a statement as the implication that all Leavers are thick racists, and equally unjust if not more so.

I'm not celebrating - nor am I disappointed in the result. The referendum was a calculated piece of politicking and it's back-fired - or perhaps it hasn't - who knows? We place our trust in fools because there is no other option, we have to have a government.

I've read some horrible attacking of posters who believed the NHS £350m funding with people jeering at them their lack of comprehension for confusing 'should' and 'will' and how they should have known better. Yet more hypocrisy; manifestos are not legally binding and every since election produces more of the same 'wish lists' to get people to vote for that particular party. Those who voted Tory in at the last election have been flagellated continuously here yet some of those attackers seem to feel so warmly towards David Cameron now.

The country is now completely divided. Bit of an own goal that and I agree that it would have been better had the result been more definite, ie 60/40 rather than so close either way. I suppose we can carry on railing about the unfairness of a democratic decision, or we can get on with it, as the 'other side' would have had to have done if the result had been different.

annie you're spot on. lying do you not remember all the posts after the Scottish referendum and the GE?

merrymouse, we didn't know what the Common Market entailed truly either, did we?

OP, any chance of explaining exactly what we have to be excited about? Only the prospect of recession and the Union breaking up isn't doing it for me.

Keep up Judy we are to be excited because Lily is.

Many people on here appear to believe that the Leave campaign was full of lies. I believe there were lies and deception on both sides. Take George Osborne's comments regarding a 'Lehman Style catastrophe' if we leave. That was real scaremongering. And guess what? So far that hasn't happened, in fact the markets on Friday were surprisingly stable - read here: https: //next.ft.com/content/88e2bc9e-3ad5-11e6-9f2c-36b487ebd80a

I voted remain, but why are so many remainders saying "my children won't beable to study/work/live in europe now"? We'll be keeping the free movement of people anyway won't we? (I hope)

TSSDNCOP, Indeed I do. I remember posters thanking other posters for not leaving (for the Scottish referendum), with many disappointed Scottish posters also posting and a slew of disgraceful threads vilifying ANYBODY who had dared to vote in the Tories. I've always been surprised at the amount of election chat there is in advance because you would think that the posters who believe they are issue-savvy would post advice to undecided posters. They don't. I know because I've asked it myself. I don't rate ANY politicians highly, I think they all make a mess of it, make poor decisions.

I don't know what a general election is going to achieve either because other than ALL parties adroitly making noises to repeal/revoke Brexit, there will be nothing to choose between them.

Austria has proportional representation; I'm not sure which other countries do but I think it's the only truly democratic way of voting. I doubt we'll ever see it here though.

Apologies that link did not come out right - try this: on.ft.com/28TPU0M - the headline to the story is: Markets pass their first Brexit stress test

Almost inevitably keeping freedom of movement orange . Much to dismay of the faction of the leave camp who voted out because they were anti immigration.

Yes, we did know what being in the EU meant. It meant working with countries in Europe with whom we share geographical boundaries for the benefit of mutual trade and to ensure cooperation between countries who share common values. This means helping weaker countries to be strong so that we can trade with them and so that they have political stability, which benefits both them and us.

Of course we could have that outside the EU, but I think it'll end up looking an awful lot like being in the EU, together will all the rules and bureaucracy, but with less representation.

But that isn't really what people were voting for is it? I mean it's not as though Farage even shared the common values that 20 years ago would have been taken as a given in mainstream politics.

Anniegetyourgun, I can't say that I disagree with your point at all, it was a very sweeping statement and I should have said 'some' instead of 'many'. I never include everybody in anything but sometimes don't make that clear.

And the result should definitely have been more clear-cut. I voted Leave but I'm uneasy at the margin of the result. I would have liked to see a definitive 60:40 and wouldn't have complained at the outcome whatever it would be; the 52:48 doesn't sit right with me either and I know it doesn't for many people.

The one thing I would say is that I believe that there were as many Remainers as Brexiters who didn't understand what the issues/implications were but have escaped the 'thick' label by default because they voted in the 'right' way. That is very much the mood.

Lyingwitch Farage is on film saying if the result was a close loss for leave (52.48 for remain he suggests ironically) then there should be another referendum. So I don't think you can really argue Brexiteers would have just accepted matters had they lost.

I'm not interested in short term market volatility, just in people who thought immigration would be stopped almost overnight getting violent and angry, more austerity while we go through the next few years of turbulence which will cause more anger, despair and violence, a rise of nationalism and racism across Europe, and more inequality. I don't think there were more stupid people on one side or the other, just that the timing of this referendum was catastrophic for Europe and the leave result more immeasurably more harmful than the stabilising effect of a remain decision would have been. The EU isn't perfect and needs reforming but this was not the way to go about it.

Brexiteers haven't fucking shut up since the 1970s....