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AIBU to think many Remainers will echo Lily Allen

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sandrabedminster · 26/06/2016 02:48

Lily voted to remain, but is now exited about brexit and admits she was brainwashed by project fear.

I feel many uneducated and easily swayed remainders like her will see actually change is good, as it was shit and this is a real change.

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ZenNudist · 27/06/2016 21:40

I was not "brainwashed by project fear". I am highly educated and work in a finance and economics role. I voted remain because I am more than capable of doing my own research and making up my own mind. I will not change it. Ever.

The lies told by Boris, Gove et al were mendacious. The immediate financial consequences were obvious (to me) and scary and are now happening.

I don't see how "many uneducated and easily swayed remainders like her will see actually change is good" when their standard of living declines.

I think it's a crying shame that ill educated brexiters have been hoodwinked into thinking that an Out vote would improve the (admittedly shit) situation we're in. It's going to make things worse.

I don't buy the short term pain for long term gain argument but I'm not a crystal ball gazer so I will hope that there is a light at the (probably far) end of the tunnel.

Thick comments from Brexiters like this aren't doing much to improve my mood.

BonerSibary · 27/06/2016 21:44

Do you really think we would ever have had another referendum if remain had won? This was our only chance to take. No political party would have allowed it again.

I imagine we would've done fossie, yes. Leave wouldn't have taken it any better than Remain have, witness the Leaver starting a rerun petition several weeks beforehand. There'd have been bitterness, recriminations and that rumour about voting in pencil would've hung around a while longer. There'd have been lots of we're the 47% or similar, you can't ignore us type rabble rousing. Farage was clear they had no intention of showing the respect for the result they now demand from Remain, and UKIP would've carried on campaigning and probably won several seats in 2020. Quite possibly enough to hold the balance of power and demand another referendum in return for support. The issue wouldn't have gone away.

falange · 27/06/2016 21:44

i wish she'd said she's changed her mind because of the nasty, vile things said about the working classes, the north and older people. It seems that in this democracy a vote is only valid if you're a certain kind of person. If you're 65, live in Sunderland and have no qualifications then you're not allowed to have an opinion. It stinks.

Breadandwine · 27/06/2016 21:54

flippinada Thanks.

'Fraid it passed me (and my friends) by! Sad

flippinada · 27/06/2016 22:02

falange as Lily Allen is wealthy and comes from a privileged background, I don't imagine she has any concept of the very real struggles faced by people in working class communities. People like her and others who are well off can absorb the financial impact, whatever happens. Those at the sharp end are the ones who will pay the price.

The saddest thing about all of this is that people in communities like Sunderland are going to be the ones who suffer most with austerity, cuts and loss of funding /investment. I don't take any joy in saying that and actually hope I'm proved wrong, but fear I won't be.

Galdos · 27/06/2016 22:25

I recall an old Chinese curse - 'may you live in interesting times.' These are certainly interesting times!

When not worrying like mad about the practical consequences (I have just retired, and seeing my pension pot drop through the floor was not my happiest moment), I try and amuse myself by imagining how historians will analyse all this in 150 years' time. It seems to have been a gross political miscalculation on Cameron's part, a thought partly inspired by the fact there seems to have been no contingency planning whatsoever, and that the Remain campaign was a disgrace (so was Brexit: the quality of the debate would have disgraced a year 9 class). He thought he would walk it, showing how little he understood the mood in the country, for which his pal Osborne must take the blame: not everyone appreciates austerity, especially when the City fatcats appear to be raking it in again, despite having had to be bailed out by the taxpayer in 2008. The recently broadcast shenanigans over BHS can't have helped either.

Radio 4 interviewed various people on the street about why they voted leave, and the short broadcast answers were inspiring: 'dunno ... Human Rights Act ... foreigners...' Meanwhile Brexit leaders now acknowledge some of their core points were untrue/misleading: £350m weekly to the EU to be diverted to the NHS (it won't, and the figure was a myth); immigration won't necessarily lessen outside the EU.

I suspect the whole affair will be taught 150 years hence as a classic example of How Not To Govern.

flippinada · 27/06/2016 22:31

Yes Galdos. I think Cameron will go down in history as one of the worst PMs we've ever had.

flippinada · 27/06/2016 22:38

Bread it's a crying shame that it wasn't more widely viewed and shared. Too late now of course.

BonerSibary · 27/06/2016 22:46

On the theme of dipshit posts from Brexiters blaming Bremainers for telling them it's raining, I've just seen a bloke on the news saying what a disgrace it is that Remain people are going on about all the financial problems, and they'll cause a recession. I wonder if this is going to be a common theme? Like, I made a choice that was all but guaranteed to fuck us up economically for several years. But I have the right to insist that other people don't point out the consequences of it, and blame them for the state of affairs my decision has brought about. It's themmuns fault!

Confusednotcom · 27/06/2016 22:48

OP what a load of nonsense! I hope anyone who voted did so armed with as much info as they could get their eyes and ears on but for some I fear it was a far simpler knee jerk response for change, any change.

Ambroxide · 27/06/2016 22:50

Sandra, you can't even write literate sentences. Sod off with your goady fuckery.

Piranha2 · 27/06/2016 22:54

I feel compelled to join this discussion. I am fed up with celebrities making mileage out of politics to raise their profile . I accept there are many who do a great job to compel us to respond to the plight of many in the world who are less fortunate than us , to reach out to all races who need support. However Lily Allen has shown her true vacuous self in her shabby "change of mind". How a young woman could exercise her right to vote ( which suffragettes died for ) in such a flippant manner is beyond me. All the worse for publishing it too. I would be embarrassed.
For the record, I have traditionally supported our membership of EU. I have lived , studied and worked in Europe and also Commonwealth countries prior to having a family. I am half Brit , half Austrian. ( one parent a Jewish immigrant , taken in by the UK as a child refugee). I was pleased when Cameron outlined his plan to negotiate a better deal for the UK . At this stage I had huge hope that it would result in a positive deal. However, the reality was a disappointment for me. None of the changes agreed with EU,( which were watered down incidentally, ) were set in treaty. I had concerns for the interference the EU was planning to put more regulation into the City of London, with individual national self interest at heart. The disaster of the EU management of the biggest migration from war torn regions since world war 2, further highlighted how 27 member states cannot agree a policy, leading to intolerable suffering for victims of war. the EU decision making process is bureaucratic at best and often shambolic.
I had concerns re the financial position of Greece, Italy and Spain. The Eu handling of the global financial crisis meant that that Italy and Spain suffered hugely compared to the top performing economies in the EU, leading to a current rate of 50 % youth unemployment in these countries. Greece was Incompetently deemed financially viable to become a member state and now the EU ( Germany ) bail them out constantly, as a means of putting off the inevitability of defaulting on payments, a socially, financially, crippled Greece limps on in the EU, as there will be a crisis if it is left to default which will rock the EU . The growth of Brussels interference in our UK laws, was not a vote winner for me either eg court of human rights has the right to overturn UK law. As for security intelligence and protection against terrorists, I trust the 5 i set up with have with major countries outside the Eu as far more reassuring than countries like France and Belgium. I want control back overall, I want immigrants in the UK , controlled by our own immigration laws, so that we can respond to pain and suffering in the world quickly , but also safely , in order that we secure our borders, and additionally do not swamp areas of the UK with volumes of migrants to put ridiculous pressure on the local services, NHS, schools and housing . This does not mean I am a xenophobic fool, nor does it make most people racists for worrying about these pressures either. But I feel we will do better as a nation if we can have authority over this, this does not necessary mean vastly less numbers, but now we can take in economic migrants from the world and select talented , self motivated individuals who will add value to our country, with many less social problems as a result . I voted Brexit for these reasons. Je ne regrette rien! I exercised my democratic right, it deserves to be respected by my MP who represents me in Parliament , throughout the UK , MPs should represent their constituencies , recognising that in every part of the UK apart from London and Scotland we voted out. To quote David Cameron "Out is out" . There again he said he wasn't a quitter......who do we trust?

HappyFatty · 27/06/2016 22:55

As a remainer This: When one is handed lemons one can choose to complain about the bitter taste or make lemonade. Yes, it's shit. Suck it up buttercup we need to get on with dealing with it in as best a way as possible.

MitzyLeFrouf · 27/06/2016 22:57

Suck it up buttercup we need to get on with dealing with it in as best a way as possible.

Could you maybe send that memo to the government as well as Johnson and Gove too?

BonerSibary · 27/06/2016 23:01

I exercised my democratic right, it deserves to be respected by my MP who represents me in Parliament , throughout the UK , MPs should represent their constituencies , recognising that in every part of the UK apart from London and Scotland we voted out.

You should be ashamed to be yarning on about the need to respect democratic rights while not even knowing which way all the constituent countries of the UK voted.

NORTHERN IRELAND.

Also, most of the cities in the UK even outside of Scotland voted Remain. London was one of several. The others included Manchester, Leeds, York, Belfast, Liverpool, Oxford and Cardiff. The picture you paint is simply not an accurate one.

noblegiraffe · 27/06/2016 23:05

Why should we be making lemonade when the people who were selling the lemons talking up how brilliant they are for making lemonade, are not making lemonade themselves?

The lemonade sellers are now saying that they haven't a clue how to make lemonade, and if you want a lemonade recipe, then it's the responsibility of the orange sellers, who are now trying to cobble together a lemonade recipe that's as close to orangeade as they can get.

And the lemons really are shit. The people who wanted lemonade are unhappy, the people who wanted orangeade but had lemons forced upon them are really unhappy and the orange sellers are pissed off.

In the meantime, the lemon sellers have fucked off into the sunset, and no one is chasing after them pelting them with lemons.

I want to pelt them with lemons.

MitzyLeFrouf · 27/06/2016 23:08

Yeah, fuck the lemonade sellers!

Shesaid · 27/06/2016 23:09

I appreciate the attempt to find a silver lining. But for people of colour, young people and Europeans living here.. not so good.

flippinada · 27/06/2016 23:09

I'm going to make the lemoniest batch of lemonade you ever tested.

Then, I'm going to pour it over Johnson, Farage, Gove and IDS and lock them in a room full of hornets.

I'm not of course. I just like thinking about it.

flippinada · 27/06/2016 23:10

And it would be a terrible waste of lemons.

IamAporcupine · 27/06/2016 23:23

I had no idea what Lily voted and/or her current views on the subject but when I read the title of this thread I thought:
What? "Fuck you"? Grin

(haven't read all replies so apologies if it's been said already!)

MumsTheWordYouKnow · 27/06/2016 23:58

Yes and you can't spell excited.

thecatfromjapan · 28/06/2016 00:25

noblegiraffe Grin

You missed the bit about the lemonade seller, who actually didn't think he'd have to deliver lemonade, but wanted the orangeade seller's job, getting rewarded for his part in the fiasco with the chief job of selling orangeadeish lemonade because he's the orange-lemon candidate.

So many, many people, who wanted orangeade will really, really want pelt him with lemons.

ZenNudist · 28/06/2016 00:28

I've not RTFT but I'm assuming the obvious joke has been made up thread about Lily Allen? She felt bad for a while, but now she just smiles...

CatsNOwls · 28/06/2016 01:07

NOPE NOPE NOPE

Feel free to have your opinions but you can up one with the uneducated bull. I'm so sick of that. Neither side is uneducated simply because of the way they vote and there are uneducated people on both sides. By the way you're talking, you seem like one of them.

Get off your high horse, YABU.

Celebrity endorsement isn't going to sway most of us anymore, we're pretty used to it in the media and know it's there, and as has been mentioned she seem to be looking for a ray of light not saying "all aboard the Brexit train".

If you're leave, that's your choice and I respect that (you know, because I'm an educated voter who knows not everyone has to agree with me and that's why we have a vote) but keep your bull about the other side to yourself. The same goes for Remain. Shut up and stop pooing on the other side. You're adults, for Christ sake! Act like them!