This is what the leave vote has validated

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I voted remain. I'm ashamed of brin British right now.

I actually thought twice about speaking Welsh to my daughter in public today. We live in England, so it wouldn't automatically be recognised as Welsh like it would if we were living Wales. I didn't want people to think I was different. Now I need to grow a backbone, do as I've always done, and stand up for everyone, in or out, who abhors racism.

I'm up.for any campaign help needed. Spread it around the country

I'd be delighted if people ran with 'Nobody is Leaving'

Why not post to the MN campaigns board? They might have an idea of how it could be run widely?

Connected to that, can I suggest that people start lobbying hard for the powers that be (whoever they are) to push for a Norway-style deal that preserves freedom of movement for the UK?

I know at least one petition along those lines was being drafted this afternoon, but I don't have the details yet. Someone around here might have seen it, though.

If we can get freedom of movement, that completely undermines the vote of the racist 'outers' and means that immigration-wise everything will remain unchanged.

It's completely up for grabs.

Just set up a thread over on chat...

It's very likely there were quite a few racists among the remain voters. If they had other priorities which took precedence over their racist views, such as believing the remain side's financial warnings, they may well have voted remain.

Racism is a problem for everyone to help to solve. Trying to blame millions of people who aren't racist is not going to help. It will just make many innocent people resentful due to the false accusation, and make it easier for real racists to hide as after all, half the voting population of the UK are now apparently racist

I think it's perfectly natural to assume that people who vote the same way share the same values as you.

So someone who voted Leave because of sovereignty, thinks 'Yay, 52% of the population shares my view that Brussels interferes too much in our lives! Now we can live our lives in Great British freedom!'

Someone who voted Leave because they don't like immigration thinks, "Yay, 52% of the population shares my view that immigrants can fuck off! Now we can send them all back home!"

And on the other side of the coin, the immigrants working here already aren't dim; they've seen the posters, read the headlines, and watched the result - they know 52% have voted for a campaign that hasn't been shy about 'controlling our borders'.
Have spoken to three well-educated, high-earning EU families already who are leaving the country because they heard the Leave campaign's message loud and clear.

Just5minswithDacre you're left-wing? Jeez, I've seen you all over the boards these last few weeks and assumed you were a v right-wing Tory. Er, sorry about that. I did wonder about the username.

With all this experience of fighting fascism etc, did you not notice that the Leave campaign was a wee bit heavy on the old immigration angle? And that people were repeatedly saying on these boards, and facebook, and in real life spoken words, that they wanted to vote Leave to get the immigrants out?

If Just5minswithDacre is left wing, and you are right her posts don't represent that, she's the type of left winger who doesn't mind voting with the right wing of the Conservative party, the EDL, Britain First, UKIP, Lord Rothmere (Dacre's boss), The Barclay Brothers and Rupert Murdoch.

Funny that she never considered why they were voting the way they were.

I haven't posted in a right wing way, unless you are of the view that an out vote is necessarily a right-wing stance.

In fact, I've slagged Farage and UKIP off at some length in recent weeks (and predicted their demise in the event of Brexit) and also gone in to some detail about poverty and front line services in London and how that informs my position.

I suppose threads do get repetitive and tetchy and one gets briefer and briefer and ends up just baldly rebutting assertions without explanation.

I did wonder about the username.

Yes, you would

I think the remain side also needs to bear responsibility for this. By tarring all leavers with the same brush, is it any wonder these vile people think their beliefs are validated by the majority.

I think the remain side also needs to bear responsibility for this.

Yes, nothing bad is ever because of Leave.

Most of the Leave posters on MN are are really impressively thoughtful, reasonable and prescient. Almost everything that has happened since Friday morning seems to have been predicted by somebody.

*Cameron resigning? Yep, expected that.
*Markets reacting? Knew that would happen.
*Article 50 delayed for how long? Well of course we knew it would take {insert any timeframe} to happen, mustn't rush to escape from this cruel European dictatorship.
*Jobs lost? All part of the plan, just the broken eggs for the omelette.

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*Increase in racist attacks from emboldened knuckle-draggers? Good grief, we had absolutely no idea that would happen, there wasn't a single hint of it during the campaign .

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Aha! It must be the fault of Remain, someway or somehow. I've seen at least two replies on this thread to that effect so far.

On the point up thread: yes, absolutely there are racist and bigots of every colour and nation. I grew up in Poland and still remember people pointing at a token dark skinned person in my city (I was a child then so can't promise it wasn't me actually pointing as well). Not to mention the situation for the LGBT community over there right now or the perception of wimmin's place in the world. We have huge problems, not at all helped by a rabid far right Catholic government seeing the devil in every person that's not like them.
That is why I love it here. I have spent more than half my life in the UK feeling more and more grateful for the opportunities, for the tolerance, for the equality (yes, not perfect, but you get my drift).
I just cannot believe what's gone on in the last couple of days and am deeply saddened that my perceptions may have been somewhat naive. But I believe that the vast majority of people here are fantastic and welcoming and can oppose the few maniacs spouting hate.
Poland has a troubled history in the tolerance department mainly due to the fact that it had been isolated from other cultures during most of the 20 century. It's a slow process, but things are changing thanks to the fact that the world is open to us and we to the world.

I said "also" not solely.
At least read my post properly. It is also very ignorant of you to assume that I voted leave.

I think the issue boils down to the fact that the leave campaign, which should have been about issues to do with EU laws, federalisation, fishing rights etc, was hijacked by racism in order to give it the boost to win.

As far as I can see there are three kinds of leave voter:

1. Eurosceptics: the people that actually have an issue with the common market, fishing rights etc. I have no beef with them. They voted for what they believed in.
2. Protest voters: as my mum said on Friday 'I've really stuck it to David Cameron'. This is find frustrating because she's also stuck it to me.
3. Anti-immigration voters: these people were convinced by Farage and others that leaving the EU would end the free movement of people and that they could eject all the foreigners. These are the people who feel vindicated by the vote. They probably don't realise (yet) that they've been lied to. And are probably ecstatic that they can air their views in public now. I think that in their mind everyone who voted leave agrees with them.

This is our major problem- both remain and leave voters. How do you think these people are going to feel when they find out that all the foreign people aren't being sent 'home'? I can see violence erupting.

FWIW- I don't think this is entirely the fault of the main leave campaign, who appear to be proper Eurosceptics. But I'm not sure I'd be happy to have won off the back of such blatant xenophobia.

Tipsy I did read your post. It doesn't matter how you personally voted.

I disagree that the Remain side is to blame. It wasn't Remain that put up a big poster with a scary queue of refugees. It wasn't Remain who, however obliquely, managed to convince people that voting Leave would get rid of foreigners. I doubt there was anybody voting Remain so they could keep the darkies out.

Complaining that Remain tarred all Leave voters as racist is like people on here protesting about surveys also showing the age and education distribution of voting patterns. "I have 234 degrees from Oxbridge, a 6-figure job and trace my roots back to 17 separate ethnic backgrounds and I voted Leave, therefore it's all lies". It's a failure in basic logic.

Again I didn't say they were to blame, but elements of both camps are responsible. I think that certain remain and leave voters are and have been fanning the flames, both on here and social media. Unfortunately, it is the extremists on both sides who are, or seem to be, most vocal.

Personally, I blame some of our politicians and certain factions of the media. They allowed it to turn into this circus for their own selfish gains. The trend for pitting different factions of society against each other for political gain, has resulted in tearing our nation apart.

If you disagree that is fair enough, we are each entitled to our own opinion. I would much rather that instead of arguing with each other, we all join together and make it clear that these acts of racism are not ok and we will not accept it. We need to unite no matter which way we voted.

I've never said that they were Okilled. Man on the bus yesterday said to a Polish girl talking on her phone: You'll have to leave soon scrounger."loved the response from the man sitting behind him who said: " London voted to remain mate, it should be scum like you who are leaving."