To be apppalled by the remain camp attitude

[Rebecca2014]

On my FB feed, social media, TV we are being berated for voting leave, we are being called racist, thick, uneducated, stupid, poor, peasants, benefit scroungers...the list goes on. There is even an petition now to have another referendum because obviously the leave camp know absolutely nothing.

Boris Johnson was whisked away by the police when he left his house this morning as protesters were ranting at him, banging on his car. How is this democracy? why does it only run one way? Yet you cheer at this act of aggression.

I would understand if the vote was closer but it was not close, leave won by well over a million votes. Why cant you accept the results and look for a way forward together, why have a "me vs them" attitude.

[SovietKitsch]

I wonder when the Brexiteers are going to realise they've been sold a lie. Presumably a few of the brighter ones will have already have "what the fuck have I done" moment this morning when the spotted the economy had taken a nose dive.

[KidLorneRoll]

MrsChrisPratt

Mudslinging and name calling made up about, oh, 95% of debate in the lead up to the referendum. It was hardly limited to one side or the other.

My objection is to those people who voted to leave who think that the debate is over, because it really, really isn't. This is about the future of the UK and it's an immensely worrying time. The PM has resigned with someone who was very recently regarded as a comedy major as his likely replacement, we don't have anything approaching a credible opposition, we are likely facing another Scotland indy ref and who knows what our position re: europe and trade agreements will turn out to be.

I'm not going to put up and shut up, I'm going to be fighting as hard as I can to ensure all my worries about what could happen don't come to light.

[MrsChrisPratt]

Case in point CJCregg everyone needs to stop being so bloody emotive and wonder why 51% of people have ignored the advice of virtually every expert. Comparing the leave campaign to Nazism is fucking insulting to those who voted out, there is so much arrogance in the response of the remain camp it is unbelievable.

The world would be a much better place if we could all just be a bit fucking nicer and more tolerant towards one another.

Coming from a REMAIN voter

[Madbengalmum]

Whatever you voted, why oh why are the remainers playing up and crying doom and gloom.
Already the markets have gained over half of what they lost this morning, and yes, there will be a period of uncertainty,but FFS, to quote a previous OTT poster, who claims we are absolutely fucked. Really?. And you know that because??.

[Whatsername17]

Ive seen hideous, mudslinging comments from both sides. I'm sick of seeing 'Now we will take our country back' type comments. I kid not, on Facebook, there was actually a post likening our 'Brexit' to the when slavery was abolished. I'm not happy. I feel justified in my vote to want to remain. However, I recognise and support other people's right to vote in any way they please. I just wish there were more people who advertised their leave vote who didn't keep going on about immigration. It looks like nothing is going to change with immigration figures anyway.

[MrsChrisPratt]

I really don't think you should put up and shut up kidlorne. Please keep having an opinion and voicing it!... Sounds like it is the same opinion as mine for a start

I absolutely agree there has been mudslinging and name calling on all sides.

I think we should insult each other less and try to listen more, work together more. The result has me hugely worried and I am thinking about practical steps I can take to try to help limit the damage (maybe join the Conservatives so I can vote in the leadership contest to try to avoid Boris???!)

Vigourously agreeing...I am pretty sure that's what we are doing

[JudyCoolibar]

Morgan Stanley have begun the process of moving 2000 London based investment banking staff to Dublin and Frankfurt. SocGen, Barclays, Deutsche Bank, J P Morgan and BNP Paribas. That's thousands of jobs and millions of pounds disappearing from the economy. Over £200 billion was wiped off UK stocks this morning.

But Leave told us that Remain were scaremongering.

[PresidentCJCregg]

It's may be insulting, but it actually happened. Just, you know, last week.

[TooMuchMNTime]

That poster lost leave a lot of voters. It certainly did not increase them.

[PresidentCJCregg]

Why is it that we need to stop being emotive? I'm not taking the piss, I genuinely don't understand why we are expected not that have feelings about the biggest political shift in our lives. Why is that wrong exactly?

[Armi]

I had a whole, reasoned post planned but am not going to bother with it. Thick, racist people who have no grasp of economics or politics have dumped us all in the shit. And if you're an intelligent Brexit voter (oxymoron, I know)you should be off making some fucking To Do lists instead of howling about how your catastrophic voting habits mean some people don't like you.

[todayitstarts]

Tough. Voting comes with responsibility and Leavers will soon see the negative results of their actions. On themselves.

Remainers are well within their rights to be most vocally disgusted with such stupidity.

[Kitsa]

It's democracy. Just why so much vitriol.

Democracy has never been about people agreeing with each other.
It doesn't magically turn up the "right" result.
People care and they are angry.
But oh it's democracy, I guess we should just not give a shit then.

[StickTheDMWhereTheSunDontShine]

Funny, I'm not seeing that on my Twitter and it's full of REMAINers.

Most are just sad and fearful

[blinkowl]

"Democracy is fine, as long is it's my choice that wins"

That's not it at all.

Democracy is fine when it's based on facts and measured debate.

The result in an election is not fine when it's based on lies and manipulation on such a large scale.

The Leave campaign has been based in large part on lies and has whipped up racist and xenophobic attitudes. It also has no road map for what will happen now.

It seems nonsensical to a lot of us to vote Leave - not (only) because we disagree, but mostly because there has been no coherent argument for it.

The debates have been an insult to our intelligence and to see people have sided with such a poor excuse for a campaign is utterly disheartening.

Why did people vote for Leave - to save the NHS? That was a lie (Farage used the exact words "lie" to describe the £350 million going to the NHS claim in TV this morning).

Because Britain is "full" - that's a lie too.

Because immigrants are stealing jobs - leaving the EU will have a much bigger and more negative effect on jobs than immigrants ever could have.

To "get control of our country". All we've done is give more control to the political elite currently in power, who DO NOT have our interests at heart.

To stick two fingers up at the establishment? Pretty hollow gesture when the same party is still in and we are all going to suffer as a result.

So what? Why did people leave? What reason that's based on common sense? If there is one I've missed it.

[ChazsBrilliantAttitude]

No, it is not democracy, how naive! Democracy does not require you to stop caring the moment the vote is cast. You still have a voice and part of democracy is being allowed to use it, to keep making a noise, to keep expressing dissatisfaction, to keep fighting for change. It doesn't stop just because the vote has gone the other way. There's a massive mess to clear up now, who's going to do it?

I agree wholeheartedly. People have made a decision that I believe will have negative impact on this country and I am supposed to sit back and say "well done people". If we live in a democracy then people are allowed to express dissent. The pound and the stock market have been hit, the PM has gone, petrol prices are due to go up next week. I am more than a bit worried about the long term impact of this decision.

[PresidentCJCregg]

It's not vitriol. It's fear, anger, shock, uncertainty, feeling at odds with your neighbours, helpless and at the mercy of people who lied their way into this and have no plan for what to do next.

[MrsChrisPratt]

CJCregg it's not wrong, it's just not helpful, and I am a pragmatist. Calling Brexiters racist/Nazism sympathisers is going to alienate them further and polarise us further as a nation.

[HisNameWasPrinceAndHeWasFunky]

It's fear, anger, shock, uncertainty, feeling at odds with your neighbours, helpless and at the mercy of people who lied their way into this and have no plan for what to do next.
yes it is this by the bucketful.

[blinkowl]

"Voting comes with responsibility and Leavers will soon see the negative results of their actions. On themselves."

But will they?

People voted for cuts at the last election. They got cuts. But people who voted Leave are not blaming the Tories for their predicament. Instead people have swallowed the lie that the reason they can't get a GP appointment / job / affordable home etc is because of the lie that Britain is "full up".

It is going to get harder to get a job, a GP appointment, a decent place to live, because our economy is tanking, but will the Leavers say "oh, we were wrong, it wasn't the immigrants after all, it was all because of the government's policies?"

I doubt it .

They'll turn their blame at the next target, whomever the media decides that will be.

[niceguy2]

To be fair I think the same would have happened had the decision gone the other way. The Brexit camp would have been up in arms about it. About it being a fix, a conspiracy etc. Many had already sowed the seeds in expectation of a loss.

The main thing for me is that this referendum has been the triumph of blind hope over expert opinion.

The overwhelming expert opinion was on remain and this was rejected.

What we've also ultimately done is blame the foreigner for our problems. Be that foreigner's who run the EU or foreigner's who have dared to move to the UK and try to make a better life.

Personally I think we've just made a wrong decision but we need to respect that decision regardless.

[MrsChrisPratt]

I think you are absolutely right nicely. Some serious soul searching as to why so many have so little faith in our leaders and experts is required.

I am glad DC is going, and I very much hope we get two decent prime ministerial candidates to choose from at the next election #deluded

[FlemCandango]

We are polarised as a nation and the EU referendum illustrated that bloody clearly. I have seen despair and concern for the future in social media and some name calling. I think it is understandable in the circumstances and I am not here to apologise as I haven't been name calling, I have expressed my opinion that the campaign was based on fear and ignorance and my depression on hearing the result, I feel justified in doing so. My holding back from further vitriol is based on the futility now we have a result... But I feel disgusted by the process and the outcome.

[MrsChrisPratt]

Oops *niceguy