To be apppalled by the remain camp attitude

[Rebecca2014]

On my FB feed, social media, TV we are being berated for voting leave, we are being called racist, thick, uneducated, stupid, poor, peasants, benefit scroungers...the list goes on. There is even an petition now to have another referendum because obviously the leave camp know absolutely nothing.

Boris Johnson was whisked away by the police when he left his house this morning as protesters were ranting at him, banging on his car. How is this democracy? why does it only run one way? Yet you cheer at this act of aggression.

I would understand if the vote was closer but it was not close, leave won by well over a million votes. Why cant you accept the results and look for a way forward together, why have a "me vs them" attitude.

[branofthemist]

They should have stipulated that a minimum 60% majority was required for any decision to be valid.

but they didn't

[Auti]

I think it's time for mudslinging and insults to stop.

They are not helping anyone.

There is a new reality. The country needs to pull together and make it work.

[t4gnut]

Our elected officials made a mistake in giving a complex decision to those who were not capable of making that decision. The leave campaign jumped on that and fed a stream of simplistic, inflammatory, often racist lies to that sector of the electorate and convinced them to vote on the back of untruths.

There should never have been a referendum and I hope some of the best legal minds are looking at ways to void this.

[SovietKitsch]

No, it is not democracy, how naive! Democracy does not require you to stop caring the moment the vote is cast. You still have a voice and part of democracy is being allowed to use it, to keep making a noise, to keep expressing dissatisfaction, to keep fighting for change. It doesn't stop just because the vote has gone the other way. There's a massive mess to clear up now, who's going to do it?

[KidLorneRoll]

MrsChrisPratt

Well, of course I don't condone the more knee-jerky reactions, but that's all they are and we would be seeing the same things if the vote had gone the other way - but the sentiment that anyone who voted leave should now just shut up and not continue to express concerns and - most importantly - hold the key players who will be negotiating our exit to account is just pure hogwash.

[gandalf456]

I think it's because the Leave camp have been sucked into political jargon when it's always been about the economy which has already been affected to frightening levels. It's not about yah boo sucks for me. I actually hope the Remain camp are wrong now for the sake of all our future s

[JudyCoolibar]

I accept that the majority have voted but that doesn't mean I am not shocked and extraordinarily worried about the result.

To think that suddenly everyone would just go "oh, alright then, let's just plunge into the abyss with no real plan based on a campaign fought on lies and insults" is somewhat naive.



This. 100%

[t4gnut]

"There is a new reality. The country needs to pull together and make it work"

How. That's the key thing from the whole leave campaign, there was never a how just a pie in the sky notion that harking back to the good old days when you could be a white middle class male racist xenophobe.

There's no grasp at all how to stop the markets plummeting, the pound hitting a 30 year low, large companies planning exits, petrol prices rising, an interest rate hike on the horizon, jobs being placed at risk etc.

So please tell me how we all pull together and try to recover from throwing the best trade deal available in the world down the toilet and imminent recession?

[gandalf456]

Indeed. Where is the detail?

[PresidentCJCregg]

t4gnut people are more than capable of making complex decisions. But when fear is rammed down your throat for weeks on end it becomes difficult to see the wood for the trees.

[hippiedays]

I would understand if the vote was closer but it was not close, leave won by well over a million votes. Why cant you accept the results and look for a way forward together, why have a "me vs them" attitude.


Perhaps the remain voters don't want to be associated with those who voted to leave......

[MyLlamasGoneBananas]

It's on this thread. The abuse from remainers.

It's democracy. Just why so much vitriol.

Some remained should be ashamed of themselves with the name calling.

[KidLorneRoll]

It's the day of the result. People are not yet ready to accept or even begin to process just how much the UK is about to change, for better or - almost certainly in the short term - for worse.

[SeekEveryEveryKnownHidingPlace]

Why do you think there is anger, Llamas?

[HisNameWasPrinceAndHeWasFunky]

be fucking appalled - I really don't give a damn. There is a lot of truth behind the generalisations.

I'm appalled that today we effectively have no PM, no leader of the opposition, general uncertainty, the pound is plummeting, no one has a plan, no one knows the fuck what is going on, the right wingers everywhere are celebrating, major companies/employers are moving out, and it looks like Boris or Gove will be the new PM. #DeepFuckingJoy

What is not to be appalled about? at least we have our "appalled" feelings in common. that's about it.

the only good part of my day was seeing Boris booed out of his house. I hope he is booed forever.

[PresidentCJCregg]

Jeez, can we not continue a political debate after the vote is counted? Is that it then? Everyone shut up now and forever.

Makes no fucking sense whatsoever.

If your spouse came home with divorce papers tomorrow would you shut up about it by Monday?

[HisNameWasPrinceAndHeWasFunky]

Boris Johnson was whisked away by the police when he left his house this morning as protesters were ranting at him, banging on his car. How is this democracy?

the whole idea that democracy somehow means shutting up and putting up is central to the reason we are in this massive mess.

[strangehumour]

They should have stipulated that a minimum 60% majority was required for any decision to be valid.

Would that have been a required 60% to stay in the EU as well????

Why do you think we should have different requirements for the decision? Why would remain only need 40% but leave need 60%. Surely each vote should be equal.

[MrsChrisPratt]

kidlorne we are vigourously agreeing- that's what we say in this house when you agree but in an argumentative way, and it sort of sounds like you don't

Free speech is a cornerstone of democracy and people are free to express their dissatisfaction. However I wish it could be done with the level of tolerance and respect left wingers are constantly promoting... And in some cases it really isn't.

I really feel the left wing of politics has become to ardent and too quick to cry racist or xenophobe and that is why we are where we are. Clearly 51% of the country distrust our politicians and expert leaders so much they are willing to ignore their advice, and I think mudslinging and name calling is no way to rebuild that trust, or make them feel engaged, enfranchised and valued which is what we should be aiming for IMHO

[SeekEveryEveryKnownHidingPlace]

The thing is, what the Leavers don't seem to realise is, we're absolutely fucked. What is it today that could put a smile on their faces? The pound plummeting, the stock market fucked? Are they hoping the immigrants will now get shipped home or something? because they won't. And the recession that's coming is going to bite deepest and hardest in those already deprived areas where Leave were strongest.

You're not getting any more money for the NHS. You're not getting more schools. You're not getting fewer immigrants - if anything, you may get more. So what is this country you've taken back? What is it that makes anyone thinks this is anything other than a catastrophe?

[TheManaha]

There is literally 6 threads on this subject already

[GETTINGLIKEMYMOTHER]

I would never brand anyone racist, xenophobic or uneducated, simply because they voted Leave. I voted Remain (after a good deal of soul-searching) but I know of Leave voters who are none of the above, and voted that way because they see the EU as profoundly undemocratic, wasteful and corrupt, not to mention a gravy-train of highly paid jobs for unelected cronies.

[MitzyLeFrouf]

I agree with PresidentCJCregg, this is a massive deal. Why the fuck are Leave voters sulking because Remain voters aren't exactly jumping for joy.

And as for worrying about the people banging on dear Boris' car. Oh the irony. Boris and Co were more than happy to whip up enough hysteria and aggression around the subject of immigrants.

Wise up OP.

[PresidentCJCregg]

MrsChrisPratt we are not where we are because left wing votes 'cry racism'

We are where we are because right wing voters saw that fucking Nazi rip off poster and thought, I'll have me a bit of that.

[MitzyLeFrouf]

Why cant you accept the results and look for a way forward together, why have a "me vs them" attitude.

Because the Leave campaign were all about me v them. But now you want to switch it off?