To be apppalled by the remain camp attitude

[Rebecca2014]

On my FB feed, social media, TV we are being berated for voting leave, we are being called racist, thick, uneducated, stupid, poor, peasants, benefit scroungers...the list goes on. There is even an petition now to have another referendum because obviously the leave camp know absolutely nothing.

Boris Johnson was whisked away by the police when he left his house this morning as protesters were ranting at him, banging on his car. How is this democracy? why does it only run one way? Yet you cheer at this act of aggression.

I would understand if the vote was closer but it was not close, leave won by well over a million votes. Why cant you accept the results and look for a way forward together, why have a "me vs them" attitude.

[MitzyLeFrouf]

We really are entitled to be worried about that, and to express our worries, and people who suggest that it is in some way bad form are being ridiculous. If it makes Brexiters feel uncomfortable about their vote or their willingness to believe blatantly unevidenced propaganda, so be it. That's reality, and tutting about unhappy remainers won't change it.

I completely agree. The Leave voters are making themselves a bit ridiculous by expecting the 48% to just pipe down and take their medicine.

[MrsChrisPratt]

judy if you rtft, no one is saying you can't be worried or voice those worries...people are saying they are fed up with the vile way some remainers are expressing it. Big difference.

[OrangesandLemonsNow]

We really are entitled to be worried about that, and to express our worries, and people who suggest that it is in some way bad form are being ridiculous.

So it's ok to call people racist, bigots, xenophobic, thick, stupid, ignorant, uneducated, wish older people would hurry up and die. Plus many other things.

All of which I have seen in various places today.

Yes people are entitled to be worried and concerned and express it.

In that way? No not ok imo.

[MitzyLeFrouf]

It was designed to be a nasty campaign so it's no surprise that the after effects aren't exactly sunshine and roses.

[MitzyLeFrouf]

I anticipate my anger increasing if anything.

[rale124]

Confusing education for intelligence is something I've come expect remainers. A graduate with a 2.3 in history of art working as a store manager is in all likelyhood not more intelligent than a machinist making aerospace parts to a thousandth of a mm. This sort of thinking is pretty classist and pretentious...and yes I have a degree. Both are entitled to vote in this democracy of ours though.

And again people aren't upset by others opinions about the EU, they're upset by the horrible bigoted attitudes of some on here.

[Oliviaerinpope]

Just to clarify, at no point did I that less educated people should be prevented from voting.

I did point out that less educated people TENDED to vote out. This has been found to be factually accurate by researchers. I appreciate that can't be nice to hear, but nevertheless, it is the truth.

I absolutely accept the points made by pp's that less educated doesn't always mean less intelligent, but of course, there is a correlation.

I tried to present that information without bias. I didn't share my level of education or my voting preference for that reason

[Oliviaerinpope]

*did I suggest.

[LaBelleOtero]

Mu feeling is that we should never have been allowed to have this referendum, especially when we all know it was only held because Cameron wanted to appease the Euro sceptics in his party. I don't think it's insulting to say that deciding whether we should be in or out of the EU was beyond most of us, even the experts can't predict anything with confidence, except uncertainty and instability for 5+ years.

The whole thing has been appalling, start to finish. The Scots will want to leave, Sinn Fein are saying they want to leave (which I'm sure all of us over a certain age will find at least a little bit concerning), Spain is calling for joint control of Gibraltar, and all of this is in the hands of an outgoing and may not give too many fucks at this stage Prime Minister. Who will probably hand over to Boris 'look at my floppy hair' Johnson, a man I wouldn't trust to look after my houseplants. Oh, and I just read that we don't get to decide any of the terms of our EU exit. That will be debated and voted on solely by the 27 countries we just told to eff off, let's hope they're feeling generous!

I really don't want to think we're fucked, but so far no-one has given me reason to think we may not be!

[OrangesandLemonsNow]

It was designed to be a nasty campaign so it's no surprise that the after effects aren't exactly sunshine and roses.

The campaigns were toxic.

Still doesn't excuse it.

[BertrandRussell]

Rebecca, give me one concrete reason why we will be better off outside the EU. Just one.

[MitzyLeFrouf]

we don't get to decide any of the terms of our EU exit. That will be debated and voted on solely by the 27 countries we just told to eff off,

And who could blame them!

[RhiWrites]

Remain is in mourning. We have five stages of grief to get through. And Leave still hasn't realised how deeply they have fucked things up for everyone.

[doraexploradora]

once, apologies, I shouldn't have directed this at you. I'll say it better:

why would we have to leave? Economy will already be down without it. i don't think even Brexiters want EU natuonals already here to leave, that's not what was being said by Boris and co. Or do brexit voters really think we are all going to up and leave? (i might but because of my own choice, not because I am booted out)

[blaeberry]

Bertrand because we can vote out the people governing us if we don't like them.

[MrsChrisPratt]

Olivia you didn't say that less educated people should not vote, but it is a view I've seen expressed today.

My question still stands though, so...whatabout it? Why would you bring it up? Because it kind of infers that you feel those votes are less valid or somehow wrong.

[MitzyLeFrouf]

because we can vote out the people governing us if we don't like them.

Like the House of Lords you mean?

[Oliviaerinpope]

My comment was in response to the OP stating that she is upset that her Facebook friends are suggesting people who voted leave are uneducated

[blaeberry]

The House of Lords cannot eventually over-rule the House of Commons. We could also vote in a Government to get rid of them if we chose.

[MitzyLeFrouf]

You the Leave people could vote to dismantle the House of Lords? Yeah, let me know how you get on with that.

[BertrandRussell]

"Bertrand because we can vote out the people governing us if we don't like them."

What, like our MPs and MEPs?

And unlike our House of Lords? Which, unless I have missed something, is still very much with us...

[MrsChrisPratt]

Fair enough Olivia hard to keep track of this stuff on these threads. I knew you couldn't really be a fascist, Mumsnet would have imploded

[temporaryusername]

Last night when Farage was assuming he had lost (since even he is probably amazed anyone fell for his rubbish) he said that they would have lost the battle, not the war, and would fight on. They would not accept a remain decision, and in fact if it was a majority in the low fifties there should be another referendum. So I am surprised that brexiters expect the remain supporters to just pipe down, especially when they have essentially been robbed of money, employment, identity and freedoms. Congratulations brexit, you have done immense and lasting damage to the country we are now all trapped in. You succeeded in that. Please don't also expect to be given respect and thanks or forgiveness!