So Leavers what happens Friday if you win? What's the plan Stan?

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Hello...My name is Showme..and I am a remainer

But I am also pragmatic, and a planner. My concern is the Leave campaign has no Plan. At all. Nadda

For me with objectives you have assumption oh and plans. I see an awful lot of we will be x better off, there will be x less of blah blah. But how?

So they win. And on Friday what? Day zero?

The leavers will get a shock when the economy tanks, the magical EU deal doesn't come into being, and the reality of using WTO deals does.

This at the same time as we get the most neo liberal government ever, as due to the fixed parliaments law there will be no GE, it will be a Conservative government.

The working classes who thought they were sticking the Vs up at the establishment will find that as always: "here comes the new boss, same as the old boss." However this time things like the working times directive and agency workers directive (two of the costs identified as imposed by the EU) will be repealed cause they are the easiest to do, working life will get harder, especially as more and more people will be agency employed due to the above.

Immigration will continue at the same level, with perhaps more people coming from outside the EU as promised, but this will only make up for the smallish drop in EU workers arriving as it suits the vested interests of the businesses backing the Conservatives to do so.

No one will get what they want, everyone will blame Cameron even though he tried to stop it.

However this time things like the working times directive and agency workers directive (two of the costs identified as imposed by the EU) will be repealed cause they are the easiest to do

Seriously - you believe this? You think Parliament would vote for this. Tories only have a majority of 10 - this ain't getting through. It would be electoral suicide.

No one will get what they want, everyone will blame Cameron even though he tried to stop it.

Maybe Cam shouldn't have been such an idiot and put a crap "deal" from his EU "negotiations" to the electorate then. Maybe he should have waited and gone back for more from the EU instead of trying to rush this through to tick a box of "keeping a manifesto promise"

I wouldn't worry because the UK will not leave the EU.

Plans for UK exit will have been drawn up just as plans for Scotland's independence were drawn up but there is no way the Government are going to share them with you prior to the referendum as it could be seen to be prejudicial to the result.

I struggle to believe anyone is daft enough to think that both options haven't been planned for and discussed at length. Why does the average voter in the street have to come up with plans and present them to you for approval?

smallfox why are you conflating a Conservative government with 'the fiuture' of a Brexit? The neo-liberals want Remain because it suits their agenda but you could argue that they are only in power because they acquiesed to the Brexit vote. They sold the public a pup. They won and have been hoist by their own petard.
The fixed Parliament is still dependent on confidence. There is a break clause. In fact clauses. The ruling party can change leader. The House can no confidence a leader. The public can force change.

Giddy, if we leave and Cameron wins, who do you imagine will be the next leader of the conservatives?

The people who have led this campaign are the most neo-liberal of the lot, both Johnson and Gove have talked of privatising public services in the past (Johnson NHS, Gove saw no problem in profit making schools).

The fixed parliament rule means that the entire house must vote in favour of no confidence, which won't happen.

On the repeal of working hours and agency, well they have talked over and over again about red tape. So much of the red tape is actually saftey standards, a quarter of it is international agreements like the Basel banking ones so that can't be repealed. These two are easy to put forward, admittedly they might not pass, but then the cuts to benefits and other things that people said "could never pass" did.

^^see my post above. Cameron has made his position vulnerable.
I don't have a say in who is Conservative leader.
I despise Cameron, Gove Boris and Gideon.

I meant if Cameron loses, I agree he has made his position vulnerable.

This is generally my fear though.

Remain have made a bad job of convincing people, leave have tried to convince people by making wild assertions, claims and promises many of which are inaccurate, but are what people want to hear, everyone likes a bit of confirmation bias.

Leave will win, and no one will get what they want.

I have been for 'remain' from the off. I believe that the EU is hideously undemocratic (I did a law conversion course in 2003 and spent most of the EC law module with my jaw on the floor at exactly how little accountability there is) but don't think that now is the time to go it alone. I speak Italian and French and spent 4 years living in mainland Europe so feel I have a very European outlook and genuinely
Believe we are stronger together.

BUT, I am becoming massively, massively annoyed at how the remain campaign and its supporters are painting those who wish to vote out. As if anyone who wants out is a right wing, brainless bigot. I cannot see that the remain campaign has made the case to stay in. All arguments are 'should', 'could', 'might'. Which is fine as there are no certainties.

I don't think the majority of 'leave-ers' are expecting borders shut etc on Friday. I think they understand that it won't happen straight away. I think they know that no one knows. And those people who I know that are planning to vote out are not doing it for any reasons connected to immigration but for well reasoned arguments that are just as valid as those for remaining.

It's the known vs the Unknown. For all we know, they might be right.

I don't think all leavers are idiots or right wing. I really hope I don't come across like that.

However, I really don't think that if we leave people voting leave will get what they want out of it. I don't think immigration will fall, I don't thin we'l; get better public services.

I do think that there will be an economic shock and that the uncertainty will prolong it. I think that establishing trade deals with the EU, and the 50 other countries that we have trade deals through the EU with will be difficult and that this will have an impact. I think negotiating deals with countries outside this will prove challenging.

I don't think Cameron is scaremongering when he talks about a decade of uncertainty.

It may be that once this decade is done that we are better off or will be better off in the further future.

I think that it will bring a lot of misery and that in the end, people will regret it because the ideals they hoped for will not have been achieved, and in many cases the opposite will have occurred.

But how do you know what people who vote leave think they will get out of it? Everyone is presuming it's about immigration/public services - maybe they genuinely think we will have a better country in the long term.

I was very surprised to learn that my DH is voting to leave. He is one of, if not the most, intelligent people I know. Top uni, speaks 2 foreign languages, worked in Europe, works in the City for an international company. Stands to lose a lot on paper if it all goes tits up on Friday (technical term there) in terms of investments, pension, house value.

He genuinely believes that this country has a better future out of the EU. That we do not have a typically European economy. And all
sorts of other convincing arguments that I could remember properly were I not up for a night feed with DC4 and had had a decent night's sleep in the last year .

Honestly this thread is ridiculous.

First up - Leave voters do NOT think we will exit the EU on Friday. I appreciate the argument is that all Leave voters by definition are of subnormal intelligence. Most I meet simply take a longer term view and worry less about the short term effects on the economy.

Secondly, there has been a whole heap of shite from the Remain campaign on this. There will be economic fall out from a Leave vote. A ship will have to be steadied. Then it will pick up.

You know how most "experts" missed the 2008 crash? Well one Fund Manager didn't - Neil Woodford - check out his views on the economic effect of Brexit (basically nil longer term. World economical issues much more important)

Oh so lovely leavers
I apparently think half the populuation is think. Do not understand the the purpose of referendums That I must be thick if I don't oh and therefore by inference so must all the rest of the voters too which if you look at it would actually be MOST remainers and leavers who haven't googled the process

Fassbendersgirlfriend I wouldn't call yourself I think he really would be offended. Nope not being put up to anything - just a reasonably educated woman who is even more concerned that a mention of what happens next gets everyone say....uuumm ...it's all down to Dave. Not our issue gov'nor. Why is it I am a put up job and none of you are?

It is NOT against the constitutional process to say you have a plan - pretty sure about that. But it's great that you are all able to put your blindfolds on and stumble into the unknown

But what will you do with your anger if you win - I know direct at the people who tried to stop it. Great

PS Leave thanks for following me here

Oops not think thick

Rooner Why is it ridiculous? Because someone has asked what happens next?

Because there is a black whole of nothingness? Because all the Leavers on here talk of the process, plans not required, people not spotting the last recession blah blah. Or resort to cat calling. Calling me stupid. Saying everyone else is stupid. Please ladies surely you can do better than that? Cream tea anyone?

I am not asking for a crystal ball. I am only pointing out the Leave campaign is a loosely connected bunch of politicians who couldn't agree lunch. There is no plan. There would never be a plan

Instead we will spend millions if not billions (will use a commonly used way of rounding up) extricating ourselves from the EU using resources who are already stretched to capacity over the next x years

During this time from what almost all economists have said we will take a hit to our economy. Double whammy. BTW it will probably take at least 6 months just to create the plan - as there isn't one

Think I'll do a little happy dance, not sure what everyone else will do.

Just one more clarification - at no point have a questioned Leavers intelligence. Why would I? I question the information that has been disseminated and the lack of plan.

There is no timeframe on the Leave's proposals. Why not assume Friday? Why would that make someone stupid? I don't actually think it does - but clearly a lot of Leavers think it does

It is easy to twist arguments using emotive words and placing in the mouths of people that haven't used them - stir - and stand back

I was hoping for more rational conversation of an issue that will affect generations - rather than personal attacks and misinformation

Shame - but the abyss will still be there if you win...oh and did I say there isn't a plan?

Your "black whole of nothingness" to me, is two years if planning and then entering the world arena.

Really, both sides need to quit the hysteria.

It's not lack of intelligence but I do believe exiters are having their emotions spun willy-nilly. Why so defensive when asked to actually tell us what will happen if you vote leave? How will immigration be stopped in a migration crisis? How will leaving the EU magically change the existing British anti-democratic power structures? How will it convince London elites to suddenly give a damn about the rest of the country and start investing in their future? They could do all this now if they wanted to: even immigration has more sources than just the EU.

The trouble is the whole Leave campaign has been irrational and highly emotional, harping on fears. While the remain campaign has simply refused to tackle that.

This chap has a better handle on it notesbrokensociety.wordpress.com/2016/06/12/brexit-and-the-politics-of-irrationality/

Rooner it is not hysteria. It is a reasonable request to understand what the plan is. I am voting remain but I am not on a 'side' thank you

If it is 2 years planning then it will probably take an additional 2 years of action - therefore 4 years. It is however a blackhole as there is no visibility

I can think of not one business that would make such a monumental decision without working out the plan of how to achieve objectives - but we as a nation are about to.

But posters on here have called me stupid, thick and now hysterical for asking what I see is logical and something I need to reassure me if the leave campaign wins - After all I will still be living here and it's my economy and government too

Bungo Yes Yes to this 'Why so defensive when asked to actually tell us what will happen if you vote leave? How will immigration be stopped in a migration crisis? How will leaving the EU magically change the existing British anti-democratic power structures? How will it convince London elites to suddenly give a damn about the rest of the country and start investing in their future? They could do all this now if they wanted to: even immigration has more sources than just the EU.'

I am quite appalled that a reasonable question of 'what happens next' is treated with disdain. If I am as stupid as some claim then surely you should take the opportunity to educate me?

My logical question has not been answered sufficiently for me and as a risk adverse planning (I even plan holidays, I plan my work, I plan everything!) I am very concerned that I don't know. And I'm guessing that no one knows - not reassuring for me at all

Dunno exactly what will happen on Friday but in the short to medium term Shiny Dave will resign or be forced out.

Gideon will post a "tantrum budget" (God help us all).

Boris will gear up for No10 (God help us all).

There will be a financial blip...which may or may not become a longer term blip.

Longer term

Expect changes to the NHS (and not good ones) as no way is any extra funding going to essential services....not with Boris at the helm. This may upset some Leavers who are voting that way because of the continued lie involving "£350m a week" and "NHS".

Immigration will still continue as will the flow of refugees which may disappoint the Biffers and Kippers who are voting Leave for that reason. I accept the majority of the Leavers are NOT voting that way on the basis of immigration but plenty are.

Lots of changes.

I am voting Remain but predicting we will Leave.

Here we go: An explanation of what will happen in the immediate term if Leave wins

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36591495

But of course this doesn't mention how the objectives can be achieved how long this will take and the impact. And they may never be achieved at all