Anyone else really worried now?

[MrsBlackthorn]

My work has started quietly drawing up contingency plans for if Brexit happens. Same at DH's work. Could mean lots of jobs moving to Germany and Ireland at both our firms. We're already seeing far fewer people investing or spending money.

I'm bloody terrified. Could lose my job. House could end up in negative equity. And for what?

I don't even think it's "project fear" from the government anymore... News today showed investors are taking money out of the UK faster than anytime since the crash. People with "skin in the game" voting with their money.

I understand that for lots of people the EU referendum isn't about money. however, because of a lot of it leaving, stopping coming in, or just simply being worth less... Well that leaves us screwed for a very long time. Fewer jobs. Less tax money coming in - so less money for the NHS and so on. So even if we 'take back control', of what exactly. what will we be 'in control' of?

I'm really worried about "Leave" happening and me and my family being utterly f*ed in a few months time as a result. Has the country lost its mind?

Anyone else worried about where this leaves us?

There is no doubt that people living in high EU immigration areas feel aggrieved. No doubt at all.

*many people.

The poor are being pitted against the poor. I'm sure that explains much of the resentment. Gather the poor grafters of the EU together and watch them undercut each other's wages. Who benefits?

Well I'm not in my 60s and I'm voting Brexit. It is the only sensible choice to improve the overall quality of living in this country.

The social manipulation that is happening in London is shocking.

Who the fuck will the entitled be served by?

The great british empire is on its arse.

Me neither bada, I'm not even middle aged yet.

The narrow stereotyping of Brexit supporters as older, sentimental, stupid or bigoted is getting a bit tedious now, don't you think?

Not to mention ageist.

We may not be part Schengen Alis, but anyone from within the E.U can come and go from the U.K as they please. At current rates all immigration will result in our population increasing by three million in ten years. That is more than the whole current population of Manchester and Liverpool combined. Anyone who thinks this will not have a huge effect on our already overstretched pupic services is a fool!

Everyday the remain campaign, with the help of bias media outlets like The BBC, warn us of what the huge economic impact of leaving the E.U will have on us all. The truth is.....NOBODY truly knows what the effect will be. Do not take what the likes of The Bank of England, The IMF, JP Morgan say as gospel. After all, their records of predicting how things will go in the future is very poor. For example, these idiots could not even predict the huge financial crisis of 2007/8, even though it was staring them in the face. The likes of JP Morgan want us to remain in the E.U because they do very, very well out of it. They do not like anything that may cause uncertainty in the markets. I promise you that they do not care about my Mum having to wait more then three weeks for a Doctors appointment. They don't care about you having to drive miles to your childs school. They do not give a toss about the people of our country, and either do those bureaucrats in Brussels. Do not be guilty of short termism like David Cameron. Even if we leave, and it causes our country some difficulties, which is by no means certain, it will not take us long to find our feet again. We will do better after being released of our E.U shackles. Don't just think of the next few years. Think about your childrens future, and your childrens children. If you do, you can only vote one way. Vote Brexit!

Alisvolatpropiis - It is really quite impossible for Britain to have closed borders, from a physical perspective. It is an island.
However, in the political sense we do have them, our borders are not open, we are not part of Schengen.

What about the border between Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland?
Both the British and Irish prime ministers think it may have to be closed and checkpoints reintroduced along it.

The aim of project fear is to terrify as many people into voting as possible rather than to convince. Their hope being that enough people think they might be £20 a month better off and their problem is getting them out to vote at all. I'm amazed that anyone has fallen for it, though the op certainly has.

For instance take the dodgy dossier the treasury produced. It assumed that we would not sign a single trade deal for 15 years, that immigration would continue at current record levels despite us being out of the EU and that not a single industry would benefit from Brexit ( not even fisheries!). Some of the assumptions were extraordinary.

It looked at the costs of Brexit but none of the advantages. It looked at the benefits of EU membership but not the costs.

In other words it was a worst possible case scenario and is often described as one eyed or unbalanced.

Still, it concluded that our economy would have grown by 6% less. That is not would be 6% smaller, but 6% less growth overall at the end of 15 years.

Given the record of the treasury this is a bit like the met office predicting a bbq summer in 2031. The Chancellor can't even tell us when the deficit will be met yet his department claim to be able to predict the size of the economy in 2031.

The office for budget responsibly was set up because the treasury never met its forecasts, though the government refused to have it audited by them.

The cross party commons select committee savaged it.

The real story though is that there is little to see here. Even the worst possible case is well within the margin for error of their favoured case which makes the constant scaremongering truly dishonest and desperate.

Every British person I know has done half of fuck all research and is voting because for "What would Jesus Maggie Thatcher say" reasons or "Immigration" and by immigration it isn't the impact of public services it is having forrin dressed and speaking neighbours.

What unpleasant friends you have. Maybe get some new ones?

, but of course most English people don't really think of Northern Ireand as being British anyway so it doesn't count to them.

Or maybe not.

You seem to make a habit of sweeping generalisations about whole nationalities yourself.

English people don't really think of Northern Ireand as being British anyway so it doesn't count to them.

KateInKorea......

I'm English and I do not think of Northern Ireland as part of Britain. The reason I think this is because it's not part of Britain. Britain is made up of three countries....... Wales, Scotland and England.

However, Northern Ireland is part of The United Kingdom!

" if the farmers cant see benefit in staying im not arguing with them."
All the farmers I know are voting in because of the trade and the subsidies from the EU.

"STEM want to stay for the research funding? Why do academics want to stay?"
Because the EU funds so much of their work. We will really suffer if we leave because we will lose so much academic funding.

Unless of course the govt then decide to use some of this magical "350m" to pay for it. And the NHS. And the unemployment benefit for all those people who lose their jobs because of Brexit.

Yes it scares me.

Personally I think the way both remain and leave campaigns are being conducted are disgusting. Very little real information. It's either economic disaster or an unsubstantiated world of milk and honey.

Leaving would be terrible for us as a family.

Post leaving, the restructuring of our country and laws in the boris/gove vision would in my view have appalling consequences for my kids future.

I'm voting remain. It's not perfect, but the lack of any detail on what would actually happen afterwards is too big a black hole.

"My work is drawing up contingency plans for if we Brexit " Why will you be so badly hit Mrs Blackthorn? Are you Mike Ashley from Sports Direct and worried about your cheap labour?

DH works in STEM research at a RG university. They are all planning to leave. The feeling is the writing is on the wall in case of a leave vote. All their funding is from the EU. Money won't magically go from one source to another. UK govt will have different priorities to spending, and research is unlikely it's priority. It doesn't win votes. DH will look for a new job if we vote to leave, before the ship sinks.

Also any disruption in funding will mean layoffs.

Me, my family, my rights, my job, my home, my future?

things change so quickly on MN. Last year during the General election, anyone admitting their vote was placed for the above reasons was ripped to shreds.

I only have look at the elitist weak chinned wonders on the leave side to know which way to vote!
I'm hoping it's like the Scottish referendum and remain voters are just less vocal so not being counted

HeadDreamer I don't know much about STEM research but have just googled and limited info I found says that 16% is funded by the eu. In your experience, is that not correct?