Anyone else really worried now?

[MrsBlackthorn]

My work has started quietly drawing up contingency plans for if Brexit happens. Same at DH's work. Could mean lots of jobs moving to Germany and Ireland at both our firms. We're already seeing far fewer people investing or spending money.

I'm bloody terrified. Could lose my job. House could end up in negative equity. And for what?

I don't even think it's "project fear" from the government anymore... News today showed investors are taking money out of the UK faster than anytime since the crash. People with "skin in the game" voting with their money.

I understand that for lots of people the EU referendum isn't about money. however, because of a lot of it leaving, stopping coming in, or just simply being worth less... Well that leaves us screwed for a very long time. Fewer jobs. Less tax money coming in - so less money for the NHS and so on. So even if we 'take back control', of what exactly. what will we be 'in control' of?

I'm really worried about "Leave" happening and me and my family being utterly f*ed in a few months time as a result. Has the country lost its mind?

Anyone else worried about where this leaves us?

It's a lot higher than that indirectly. Which is why most scientists and academics want to remain. In fact most highly educated people want to remain, although not all of course.

In fact most highly educated people want to remain, although not all of course.

Those so unusually highly educated that they are able to confidently state what most of a large demographic are thinking?

But "highly educated" people should realise that things that are currently funded by the Eu will be funded in the future by the British Government. All this money is public money that comes from the taxpayer. "Eu money" doesn't grow on trees in Spain. It mostly comes from us and Germany .

'In fact most highly educated people want to remain'

I wouldn't be surprised if this is a myth peddled by Cameron. Two thirds of Daily Telegraph subscribers want to leave and they are highly educated.

I hope we do leave

I've got £50 riding on it at the bookies

'In fact most highly educated people want to remain'

I haven't made up my mind, which way I am voting yet.

But statements like the above, comes across as condescending. That tactic didn't work for labour in the GE and I think it puts people off.

Toduk's peddling is a good effort too claig. Credit where it's due

This whole fiasco could have been avoided if the government hadn't decided to crucify the disabled and other vulnerable groups, run NHS/education into the ground, at the same time as offering pretty generous immigration policy. You can see why people feel let down enough to start pointing fingers at Brussels, when it's the Tory's who should be facing the storm.

The government have precisely zero control over EU immigration. They can't impose any rules - the EU won't let them.

OP - I am not dismissing your concerns but things may not be as bad as you fear. If you are in high finance, you will have noticed that the banking sector has undergone profound changes, largely for two reasons: regulations put in place since 2008 and automation of many jobs. These things are happening with or without Brexit, and will probably continue to do so whatever the outcome. If you are in STEM, or academia more generally, you'll know that the EU funding for these things is actually quite small. At the same time, recent World University rankings have revealed USA and UK to be the two 'top' nations (with most universities in these rankings). UK's academic standing on the world stage did not happen on the small budget that we receive from the EU. Wrt banking, one of the reasons why London became such a great financial centre is because of the historically 'gentlemanly' way (the 'national character' of trustworthiness, not reneging on agreements, etc..) in which things are done here. You try parking your money elsewhere in the world! These things won't change in any great hurry.

I'm scared that the fucking ill-informed idiots

Throwing insults around helps doesn't it. Stereotyping people etc is more likely to encourage people to vote the way you don't want them to not the way you do.

In fact most highly educated people want to remain

Any evidence of this or are you just guessing know nothing evidence what so ever?

I work with some extremely intelligent people, as does my DH. Most of which are voting leave.

Yes, I will insult away because if you want to leave you are ill-informed. You slag off the Treasury report but financial forecasting and modelling is not an exact science.

The EU and the Trade Union movement has done more to raise standards of living than the Tory elite. A vote to leave is a a vote to let the Tories well and truly fuck us all in the arse.

The government has created the situation where they blame the EU for their failings. The don't encourage awareness of the EU so they can take the credit for the positive outcomes and blame them when things aren't going their way. That's true of Labour governments too.

My work will boom if we leave the EU. Because I'll be busy for the next 10 years amending UK law in my area to take out everything that refers to EU law and creating new statute to replace - it's not as simple as passing an act to say 'keep eveything the same as when we were in the EU.'

I say 10 years as an estimate because there isn't a magic wand to create extra parliamentary time to fulfill the democratic process that goes into each and every law that is passed.

So my work would be OK, but I'm thinking of the future generations prospects not my feathering my own nest thank you.

I will insult away because if you want to leave you are ill-informed

How patronising. You don't know why each person who wants to leave is making that choice.

You might consider it to be scaremongering but my US owned employer has a UK recruitment freeze on due to the uncertainty around the EU referendum and we are doing an analysis of the UK verses other locations in terms of business investment. If we vote out I expect my job to be relocated to the US. Unfortunately as I can't go with it I will be unemployed . The next group of graduates we hire every September will also not get hired in the UK. These are real people and real jobs that will be leaving the UK.

If you are in STEM, or academia more generally, you'll know that the EU funding for these things is actually quite small.

This is not true. DH is in the department with the man who is credited with inventing the web. (This would tell you which university it is if you are informed). Their department will be in serious trouble because most of the money is from the EU. He will be applying for jobs in industry as either a data scientist or software developer if we vote leave. There are existing contracts to mean their research group won't immediate collapse. But there is very serious doubt they'll get funding going forward. In fact two of his colleagues have left already to be data scientists. Everyone we know in academia are in the remain camp.

I will patronise. A vote to leave is a selfish vote, it's a lazy vote. It's a there are all these problems that I can't be bothered to hold my government to account for so I'm going to blame the EU.

If I was a religious person, I'd pray for the future of our little islands.

"The Tories will fuck us all in the arse if we leave." Really? I did not see that in the leaflet and now I am worried because I am working at home this week having just had an op in that area.

milly

STEM is a large area. I can't say everyone will be in the same boat. It depends on where your group's and area's funding is from. Feeling is, the UK public doesn't have much appetite for blue sky research in IT related technologies.

Yes, I will insult away because if you want to leave you are ill-informed

No not ill informed, thank you.

I could say that those that want to vote remain, because they 'want to have cheap holidays' and yes I have heard that arguement and they were being serious, are ill informed.

However I wouldn't because I'm actually not that patronising.

I will patronise. A vote to leave is a selfish vote, it's a lazy vote

No it isn't lazy or selfish.

How about you actually stop being condescending and patronising. It isn't a nice trait.

My my things are getting heated.

"In fact most highly educated people want to remain. Any evidence of this or are you just guessing know nothing evidence what so ever?"

I wouldn't have phrased it like that poster, but the polling shows the less education people have, the more likely they are to be voting out. Graduates are overwhelmingly voting Remain. People with few or no qualifications are mostly voting out.

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/03/21/eu-referendum-who-in-britain-wants-to-leave-and-who-wants-to-rem/