Anyone else really worried now?

[MrsBlackthorn]

My work has started quietly drawing up contingency plans for if Brexit happens. Same at DH's work. Could mean lots of jobs moving to Germany and Ireland at both our firms. We're already seeing far fewer people investing or spending money.

I'm bloody terrified. Could lose my job. House could end up in negative equity. And for what?

I don't even think it's "project fear" from the government anymore... News today showed investors are taking money out of the UK faster than anytime since the crash. People with "skin in the game" voting with their money.

I understand that for lots of people the EU referendum isn't about money. however, because of a lot of it leaving, stopping coming in, or just simply being worth less... Well that leaves us screwed for a very long time. Fewer jobs. Less tax money coming in - so less money for the NHS and so on. So even if we 'take back control', of what exactly. what will we be 'in control' of?

I'm really worried about "Leave" happening and me and my family being utterly f*ed in a few months time as a result. Has the country lost its mind?

Anyone else worried about where this leaves us?

I will insult away because if you want to leave you are ill-informed

I will patronise. A vote to leave is a selfish vote, it's a lazy vote.

Good grief. What hellish failure of an education inculcated that approach to debate?

Pretty worried here too op. For personal reasons, yes, partly. I'm afraid of what this will mean for my job and ability to put food on the table for DS. But more than that, I'm afraid of the sort of country we would become with Farage and his ilk in power. A smaller, harder, more parochial country. Not a place where I'd choose to raise a child.

Have been looking into options for dual nationality but unfortunately it appears that we will be stuck here if we vote leave.

I'm worried too. OP i really hope you'll be ok. Uncertainty scares people, especially thoseholding the purse strings so i am hardly surprised that investors are getting twitchy.

I thinkthis referendum was a big BIG mistake.

Graduates are overwhelmingly voting Remain.

Overwhelmingly? No.

There is a remain bias amongst graduates, apparently, but I never went back to check if the poll I saw was even properly adjusted for age (HE has exploded in the the last 40 years).

I think the OP has had a hard time here. It's fine to think about how this will affect your family. Everyone votes with a different set of priorities.

I will be voting out - immigration will continue, but it will be controlled. We will have a better idea of who's coming in. We need to be able to choose people based on skills. Cameron is deluded when he says EU economic migrants can come here, look for work for 6months and then return home....they stay illegally, live under a bridge, or 10 to a room and work for unscrupulous employers for below minimum wages. They still earn more than if they were in their home country. The government does nothing to chastise the businesses that do this....(unlike in France).

I want stricter border controls in this uncertain and changing world, not a quick glance at your passport as you push through "immigration control". Even though we are out of Schengen, it appears we have a crisis on immigration - it's been a hot topic since 2004 when Tony Blair first opened the doors to an estimated 13,000 Poles - how many million came?

I understand that the Remainers think staying is the safer option, to vote for the status quo - but Cameron cannot tell us what the EU will look like in 1, 5, 10 years time. The EU economy grew at 0.3% in the last 3months of 2015, youth unemployment in Southern Europe is 45-50%, there is deflation - not a recipe for economic growth. Why stay hooked up to that - it's like running through treacle - why not look to the the world - currently we can't negotiate trade deals ourselves, the EU has to do it.

Whatever we vote we are not voting for the arrangement as it is today. For sure it will be an even bigger union with 5 more countries being readied for accession - will Turkey make it when they have ALL the cards against Merkel in this migrant crisis, which is kicking off again? Ever closer union is the aim of the EU, although with the emergence of the right wing, sadly that is the way the people will vote against it. Euroscepticism is growing in the EU. No one knows what it will look like in the future.

Is Cameron's "re-negotiation" even agreed - they are currently proposals - they haven't been put to the vote in the EU - that's happening after the referendum! What happens if they are rejected?

And finally, our public services and infrastructure cannot cope with the current population levels - how will our children afford to rent/buy? All my neighbours 20 something children are living at home with them. The new housing development near me has lots of houses, but no doctors, schools, shops - everyone has to get in a car to go anywhere - the roads are jammed. There are no reliable and regular bus services, the library has been closed, potholes in the road not fixed and the budget from the Westminster government cut again. All planning applications are waved through even if opposed in the rush to build. With 50,000 new homes per year in London promised by Sadiq Khan, what will the air quality be like with the additional cars this will bring? What will the roads be like, what will public services be like, how will the sewers cope!!

People are rebelling because they feel it is all out of control.

I wouldn't have phrased it like that poster, but the polling shows the less education people have, the more likely they are to be voting out. Graduates are overwhelmingly voting Remain. People with few or no qualifications are mostly voting out.

Even if that is true (and unless you asked absolutely everyone you'd never know)

What difference does it make? Are you saying that their vote is less valid because they 'aren't as educated'.

I know if some chairpeople of big businesses that would fall into the 'aren't as educated' and some extremely successful business owners.

The post I linked to included a link to the source and data - yes, graduates ARE overwhelmingly in favour of remain. Here's the same data fewer clicks away.

yougov.co.uk/news/2016/05/20/revealed-evidence-greater-skews-phone-polls/

What graduates are 'overwhelmingly' is younger MrsB.

I can't see anything immediately on that link that deals with the nitty gritty of methodology but I'll go and have another poke around.

I've seen so many polls now, they're dancing behind my eyelids.

What graduates are 'overwhelmingly' is younger MrsB.

The significance being that a 'fast' methodology, will replicate the age- based trend in the graduate question.

What is the sample size of that poll?

I work in a department full of graduates. We were talking about polling the other day and not one of us has ever been contacted.

polling shows the less education people have, the more likely they are to be voting out. Graduates are overwhelmingly voting Remain. People with few or no qualifications are mostly voting out.

This is no surprise - we are not welcoming 330,000 research scientists or engineers into the country each year. The vast majority coming are low skilled and prepared to live in dire conditions and send their wages home - the people affected by that are people with few or no qualifications who find themselves priced out of a job. Or the tradesmen undercut by the Polish plumber etc.

Vote Leave has got traction because of the impact this is now having on public services - when access to the doctor, the housing market, school places becomes harder. This is not blaming immigrants for these issues, it's simple supply and demand. But we can't predict the demand from year to year. Anyone know how many people are coming next year? With a points based system if we need 8,000 nurses we can go and hire 8,000 nurses. We are always going to be playing catch up.

It's also because there is no end in sight - why would you go to Spain to work (with their 45% unemployment) when you can come to the UK (with 5% unemployment)? And we have a free NHS and education to offer.

If it is true that most well-educated people are voting remain then it is just because they are more affluent.

It is people in deprived areas on minimum wage who are most affected by the huge influx of cheap migrant labour. This reduces their hours, wages and chance of social housing and increases their rents. It's crap.

This is why Cameron got in with a small majority. He made a promise to these people that he would control immigration. So now they are voting Leave. And rightly so.

What difference does it make?

They're using 'less educated' in the same way they're using 'over 60' and 'low income' Oranges; to dismiss and diminish. It's most unpleasant (and exaggerated anyway).

The numbers are from March, the sample size was over 16,000.

Yeah, it's not a surprise to me either - people with the fewest opportunities are and have always been at the sharp end of immigration.

I can understand why people feel like that. I just think they're wrong, and their (justified) anger is being manipulated by people like Farage.

A Remain vote by a wealthy person is selfish in my opinion. Listen to people's real life concerns.

A Remain vote by a wealthy person is selfish in my opinion. Listen to people's real life concerns.

And I think a Leave vote by a wealthy person is selfish and short-sighted.

Funny old world, isn't it?

I just think they're wrong,

How can you say that Mrs B? You are not living their life. It is their perception of what has changed their quality of life. In the same way you can voice your concern about the impact of this vote on your life. You just happen to be elsewhere on the economic spectrum.

If it is true that most well-educated people are voting remain then it is just because they are more affluent.

The top 5% have been lecturing and hectoring the 95% throughout.

The aspirational tier below the 5% identify with them, because that's what aspirational types do.

Anyone working in banking, finance, academia, or STEM has a particular vested interest in staying in the EU.

All of which increasingly has me wondering if there are any dispassionate Economists to be had anywhere; you rule out those who work for banks, Universities or Brussels and what's left? Even think-tanks are funded by interested parties.

I can understand why people feel like that. I just think they're wrong, and their (justified) anger is being manipulated by people like Farage.

I think you're mistakenly assuming a tight correlation between 'low income' and 'a bit thick' Mrs

a vote to leave is a selfish vote

Not to me it isn't. Dhs business would suffer in the economic uncertainty of a brexit, in the short term. Selfishly it would be far better to remain and make £££ from the inevitable bounce.

To vote remain would be the least selfish option for me. Unfortunately, I see the eu imploding in 5+ years, it simply cannot work out well in the longterm. Much better we get out now.

If we remain, I'll be disappointed, but I'll enjoy the money which will start coming in, and get on with life. And I suppose start to vote UKIP so we get s chance of another referendum sometime.

For as long as I can remember the NHS has been in dire straits. House prices have always been too high and we've always had hatred towards a section of society. When I was a kid it was "the pakis" despite the fact many of them were actually from India! Now it's muslims who are of course terrorists and Schrodinger's Polish. You know, the immigrant who simultaneously steals your benefits and your job.

The simple truth is that it's easier to blame someone else for your problems than yourself. It's not your fault an immigrant can come from abroad without any support network, no recognised qualifications, barely speak the language and yet somehow steal your job. It's their fault. Because you know....you were entitled to that job!

Surely the trouble with referenda is that people are called upon to make extremely complex decisions based on severely limited information in an impossibly short time frame, and are vulnerable - on both sides - to exploitation by charismatic personalities. I agree with Attlee that referenda are the stuff of demagogues and charlatans (or whatever exactly he said). They also generate all this nastiness and fear. We elect members of parliament for a reason. Referenda are so flawed that they are effectively undemocratic. You only have to look at the sorts of leaders who have been fans of referenda in the past to see that. I see the calling of this referendum as a betrayal of this country - worse still for the most cynical of ends - as a vote garnerer to be thrown away in coalition negotiations - for which Cameron and Osborne must be punished irrespective of the outcome.

I also think this referendum is the inevitable result of a weak opposition - leading to the break up of the Tories. It's interesting if it wasn't so sad and - yes, frightening. I'm hoping that a bias towards the status quo and fear of change will keep us in.

Yep we can trade with the rest of the world, and we do, but it will be a very significant blow to us should we leave and not negotiate free trade with the EU, to include people and services, as this currently makes up about 50% of our export market. I'm not entirely sure how people think we will magically replace that with trade from the rest of the world.

I run an export business. We provide a service type product which we sell to the rest of the world and we sell to EU countries. This will continue. It's not magic. Trade is as old as the hills. We buy a lot of things in this country and we make things that other people buy. Countries whose businesses want to sell us things cannot put up barriers to our businesses. We are a big country packed with people who buy stuff from all over the world. So the world will always want to trade with us. We are the 5th biggest economy in the World. Remainers who spout statistics and IMF reports but don't understand the simple process which is trade drive me absolutely nuts. Didn't you ever swap stuff in the playground?