Anyone else really worried now?

[MrsBlackthorn]

My work has started quietly drawing up contingency plans for if Brexit happens. Same at DH's work. Could mean lots of jobs moving to Germany and Ireland at both our firms. We're already seeing far fewer people investing or spending money.

I'm bloody terrified. Could lose my job. House could end up in negative equity. And for what?

I don't even think it's "project fear" from the government anymore... News today showed investors are taking money out of the UK faster than anytime since the crash. People with "skin in the game" voting with their money.

I understand that for lots of people the EU referendum isn't about money. however, because of a lot of it leaving, stopping coming in, or just simply being worth less... Well that leaves us screwed for a very long time. Fewer jobs. Less tax money coming in - so less money for the NHS and so on. So even if we 'take back control', of what exactly. what will we be 'in control' of?

I'm really worried about "Leave" happening and me and my family being utterly f*ed in a few months time as a result. Has the country lost its mind?

Anyone else worried about where this leaves us?

why is the population increasing

The population is increasing (needs to increase) because proportionally, we have too many older people for the numbers of younger people. So we need to import younger people to subsidize the ageing part of the population.

I think why the UK population is diminishing should be investigated.perhaps our young people need some help from the government.mHow are they meant to afford a family

So we need to import younger people to subsidize the ageing part of the population.

Or we need to work out why British citizens are reproducing later and less and see what policy response would help.

I suspect housing costs are a big part of it.

Woodhill it's actually the other way round. Strange as it seems, the wealthier people (and countries) are, the fewer children they tend to have.

We're not getting richer per head.

It depends what timescale you look at. In the last 20 years, GDP per capita has risen by about a third.

I think it is to do with the cost of living though Chala. There was an article in the Times about this recently.

As far as birth rates are concerned, they tend to decline with increasing prosperity. But it doesn't help that UK taxation and social policies tend, increasingly, to discriminate against larger families.

Contrast with France, which has a higher birthrate (over 2), taxation policies and family benefits which favour large families, and social policies which enable working women to have children (notably by the provision of subsidised or free childcare).

I am very worried :( I hope we stay in.

Someone a million miles upthread said "the farmers are voting Brexit" - NOT TRUE! www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/apr/18/british-farmers-uk-eu-nfu-brexit-farming

Housing could well have an impact Woodhill, but this is a much bigger trend than just the UK. It's been happening for a long time all over the developed world - as countries get richer, people choose to have fewer children. (thank god, actually)

Scientists are puzzled by it, they think it may be a weirdly counter-intuitive evolutionary strategy! www.economist.com/node/21561112

The population is increasing (needs to increase) because proportionally, we have too many older people for the numbers of younger people. So we need to import younger people to subsidize the ageing part of the population

I think I read somewhere (can't check right now) that immigration is long-term a more cost effective way to do this as long as we have a skewed population, because a proportion of economic migrants will not stay in their new country until retirement/higher medical bills etc. So the host country gets maximum long term economic benefit - ie gets their taxes and increased GDP, but doesn't have to fund all their pensions.

That's interesting Mistri. The French government seems to have a more sensible approach and it values working parents.

Also, this person is deluded:

I suspect if we leave we will be encouraged to go green. Solar panels, make do andvmend along with grow your own being encouraged. Quality produced products to be exported and so forth.

Ohgood -according to this farmer's website it's 58%leave and 33%remain amongst their readers

www.fwi.co.uk/news/exclusive-survey-reveals-farmers-back-eu-exit.htm

I think fair to say vote is split, that is despite the government and others trying to scare people.

The pensions threat by Cameron is just scare - it is a budgetary decision regarding pensions and he could just as well said in the event of the worst case scenario - we could raise tax on petrol.

He is trying to scare pensioners with house prices and with pensions.

Migrants on the whole tend to go home after a few years; people have an emotional attachment to where they come from, may have aging parents back home, or want to raise their children in their own country. That's why migrants are net contributors to the tax system.

Btw I didn't mean to imply it's all inevitable biology, and I do take Mistigri's point - I can confirm that it's a whole lot more difficult and expensive to raise a family over here, than in France. And more difficult for women to work, too, but that's another topic.

Sorry - should be 31% remain - they apparently have done it with weighting do etc so. It just a click here type poll we had on here.

Hmm scaring people.

Have you seen this disgusting piece of work? Leave trying to make capital out of the Orlando shooting www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/eu-referendum-brexit-leave-poster-orlando-shooting-free-movement-atrocity-a7079511.html

Gross.
Apparently even Leave felt the backlash and deleted it.

Kitty - agree totally shameful. Not the official Leave camp, it is one of the others that didn't get the backing of the electoral commission (Leave.eu).

Here's the link from the bbc :

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36520163

Everyone wants to buy cheap tat

Agreed, but it isn't going to happen, unless everybody boycotts the stores

Thanks, then you'd put us out of business. We manufacture products across several factories that end up in SD, amongst other end users, some of our stuff gets high praise on here as a product, but I often listen to smug people assuming they are furrin or sweat shop produced as they are good value, because buyers expect it. But instead they are good quality and British made.

We've been paying a living wage since well before public outcry was demanding it, and we don't base it on age or experience either. That's just what you start on when you start training. You get a contract too.

It's bollocks, both sides claim to be on the side of British Industry and manufacturing, but they both spout a load of shit about what terrible bastards we all are. We employ a mixture of employees and plenty of Europeans. As I said before, come June 24th whatever the outcome of the vote, we still will be.

I'm not apologising for moaning either. I'm sick of reading and hearing shit like this at present, and people going 'oh well not you, but everyone else...." Because actually the majority of us are pretty decent, but that makes rubbish spin and shit headlines.

Holy fuck that is appalling.

Aren't Leave.EU the campaign for Nigel 80s chauvinist throwback Farage and Arron "I believe in democracy so much I will sue them if more people get registered to vote" Banks?

Seems odd. After all, Nigel Farage never says anything controversial or based on bullshit arguments normally. A rare slip.

LeavetheRoundabout I stand corrected - after the giant NFU farming conference in March, the stand was in. But Farmer's Weekly is a respected publication and a stakeholder in the industry. I wonder if this is generally a symptom of a drift to 'leave'?

This is a really good article by James Meek about farmers and the EU - "How to grow a Weetabix" - www.lrb.co.uk/v38/n12/james-meek/how-to-grow-a-weetabix