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Brexit

Anyone else really worried now?

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MrsBlackthorn · 07/06/2016 23:01

My work has started quietly drawing up contingency plans for if Brexit happens. Same at DH's work. Could mean lots of jobs moving to Germany and Ireland at both our firms. We're already seeing far fewer people investing or spending money.

I'm bloody terrified. Could lose my job. House could end up in negative equity. And for what?

I don't even think it's "project fear" from the government anymore... News today showed investors are taking money out of the UK faster than anytime since the crash. People with "skin in the game" voting with their money.

I understand that for lots of people the EU referendum isn't about money. however, because of a lot of it leaving, stopping coming in, or just simply being worth less... Well that leaves us screwed for a very long time. Fewer jobs. Less tax money coming in - so less money for the NHS and so on. So even if we 'take back control', of what exactly. what will we be 'in control' of?

I'm really worried about "Leave" happening and me and my family being utterly f*ed in a few months time as a result. Has the country lost its mind?

Anyone else worried about where this leaves us?

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Brokenbiscuit · 08/06/2016 00:03

I'm getting really worried too, OP. I didn't seriously think that people would vote leave in large numbers, but now it's starting to look like they really might.

I think there could be a huge backlash too when people realise that leaving the EU won't solve all their problems after all. Who will they blame when the EU can't be scapegoated?

AndNowItsSeven · 08/06/2016 00:03

Many people make decisions that are for the " greater good" rather than themselves.

Brokenbiscuit · 08/06/2016 00:04

Many people make decisions that are for the " greater good" rather than themselves.

Yes indeed, that's why I'm voting to remain.

MrsBlackthorn · 08/06/2016 00:10

I also think remain is far better for the greater good - jobs, the environment, and simply what it says about us as a nation.

(The aggregation of every individual's self-interest into a collective greater good us the entire point if voting, isn't it?)

But in this case I am worried about the effect on me and mine - it's the first time politics has really kept me awake at night.

The backlash worries me too. If leave happens on a wave of anti-immigrant feeling, people will expect to see something done to reduce the number of immigrants they see. That's my family, friends, neighbours and colleagues.

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toadworthy · 08/06/2016 00:12

And the Greater Good is why I'm voting to Leave. Balanced Migration. Self government. Freedom to trade with the world.

What's not to like.

Don't be so hysterical about uncertainty. We are the fifth biggest economy in the world and one of the most innovative and resourceful.

We will be fine in or out. But out will be better.

MrsBlackthorn · 08/06/2016 00:19

I honestly can't see why the world would make a beeline to trade with us.

I work in financial services. Uncertainty is almost always bad. If people don't know what things will cost in a year, they don't spend today. If a business doesn't know what its trade terms might be in three years, they don't hire. If sterling might crash in July, investors start moving money elsewhere right now. This isn't theoretical, this is real people's lives, jobs and pensions that are being gambled away here.

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toadworthy · 08/06/2016 00:21

There will be no anti-immigration feeling. Everyone who is here already will be able to stay. ITs just the never ending influx that scares people.

Watch the itv Farage Cameron debate. A lovely diverse audience enjoying the debate. That will cheer you up. Britain is a great place and it still will be whatever happens.

JassyRadlett · 08/06/2016 00:21

"My work is drawing up contingency plans for if we Brexit " Why will you be so badly hit Mrs Blackthorn? Are you Mike Ashley from Sports Direct and worried about your cheap labour?

What a bizarre and quite disgusting statement. OP's workplace, like many who are doing it quite openly, is looking at what they would do in the case of Brexit. For those heavily exposed to EU markets a strong presence outside the EU may not be optimal as it would drive up costs. That means their current British employees are faced with the prospect of losing their jobs in case of Brexit - probably people from senior management to admin.

But yes, if it makes you feel better to sneer and belittle someone for worries about how they'll pay the mortgage and support their families if their employer enacts the plans it's drawing up, fill your boots. But don't claim to be motivated by altruism, your post makes the opposite pretty clear - let nothing get in the way of the propaganda eh?

toadworthy · 08/06/2016 00:22

You're a banker.

toadworthy · 08/06/2016 00:23

Not you Jassy.

JassyRadlett · 08/06/2016 00:25

There will be no anti-immigration feeling. Everyone who is here already will be able to stay. ITs just the never ending influx that scares people

Bollocks. I'm a (non-EU) immigrant. The level of anti-immigrant sentiment is the worst I've known it in the decade plus I've lived here. It's really quite nasty and as an immigrant very uncomfortable - particularly when people spout off not knowing I'm a filthy immigrant.

And these guarantees that 'everyone will be allowed to stay' are pretty hollow. Why won't current EU nationals resident here be treated identically to non-EU nationals resident here, and kicked out if they don't earn enough, etc? It would certainly help the net migration figures.

Iknownuffink · 08/06/2016 00:26

Sounds like the same shit we in Scotland were fed during the run up to the Scottish Independence Referendum.

Lies, lies and more lies from the UK meedya.

Watch RT and other news outlets the BBC et al are puppets.

STIDW · 08/06/2016 00:27

The commonwealth did diminish, but has since grown at rates that Europe could barely even dream of.

Being a member of the EU doesn’t prevent the UK trading with the Commonwealth. The EU has, or is negotiating, trade deals with over 80% of Commonwealth countries. If we leave the EU our population/market of 65m will be a lesser priority than the rest of the EU with a market 435m. Commonwealth leaders from India, Canada, NZ & Australia want us to stay in.

JassyRadlett · 08/06/2016 00:30

And if the bankers lose their jobs it's fine, because they're bankers?

What about the people working in jobs that support that industry? About the support/admin staff? The hospitality and childcare workers? The people making and selling things the bankers previously bought?

I get that it's cool and fun to bash bankers, but it's economically illiterate to suggest that a significant number of banking operations moving to Paris or Bonn or Frankfurt wouldn't have a significant economic impact - and an associated human impact including on those who can afford it the least.

(Disclaimer: not now and never have been employed in the finance sector in any capacity, before anyone goes there.)

Spinflight · 08/06/2016 00:39

Yes but bankers have had it too easy for too long. Personally I'm unlikely to cry many tears if they can't afford a second Porsche, no matter how hysterical they become.

"Being a member of the EU doesn’t prevent the UK trading with the Commonwealth."

The single market is more like a tarif Berlin wall to the Commonwealth. Alone we could set the tarifs at rates which suit us, in the EU these are set at rates which suit France and Germany more then us.

Currently we attract inward investment so they can jump the wall, out of the EU we'd have more options to actually tap their markets.

We can't carry on importing massively more than we export.

Millyonthefloss · 08/06/2016 00:41

I run a small business with about ten employees some of them being Eu nationals. I have no fear of Brexit. We sell to the Eu and elsewhere. The Eu is not a growing market for us. Unsurprisingly with its appalling stagnation ... eg unemployment for the under 25s in Spain running at a rotten 45 per cent. It's time to look to the wider world as well as the Eu. I am looking forward to lots of positive changes. Fingers crossed for a Brexit.

JassyRadlett · 08/06/2016 00:42

The single market is more like a tarif Berlin wall to the Commonwealth. Alone we could set the tarifs at rates which suit us, in the EU these are set at rates which suit France and Germany more then us.

What are you planning to export to Commonwealth countries that you're confident they'll remove their own trade barriers for?

Pangurban1 · 08/06/2016 00:42

The referendum has not been held yet and it may not be to Leave. Of course, it is difficult not to worry if it threatens to pull the carpet from under you. I'd say you are not alone.

Completely disregard aseh*es who take some sort of perverse delight in your anxiety and possible difficulties with repercussions on your life and family.

The Remain campaign may get themselves together for the end leg to put a coach and horses through the bo*cks being touted by the particularly mendacious Leave campaign.

Millyonthefloss · 08/06/2016 00:48

Also we could have a new PM. Teresa May anyone?

claig · 08/06/2016 00:50

No, the new PM will come from the Leave camp. More than two thirds of Telegraph subscribers are for Brexit and the majority of Tories are probably for it too.

bridgetoc · 08/06/2016 00:51

I'm very worried also because I made an appointment for my mum at her doctors today....... Twenty three days for the next available appointment!

330,000 people coming in every year for the next ten years is over three million people. The size of a small country! People are struggling for housing and schooling as it is. Our public services are bursting at the seams. Controlled immigration is one of the many benefits of leaving. You must be brave..... Vote brexit!

Also, I know that the BBC are known as the 'Biased broadcasting corporation' but even by their own low standards, their coverage of the E.U debate so far has been a disgrace!

Millyonthefloss · 08/06/2016 00:55

Pangurban. I agree. Remain is more likely unfortunately because the polls are rubbish. But the OP should not fear a Brexit. We will be the same sensible hard working country and we will continue to thrive.

LilySnape · 08/06/2016 01:02

No im not worried at all its bye bye to the EU for me then after that we can vote out DC and really start making this country strong again every poll ive read brexit is winning there's hardly any in voters and the ones that are voting are massively missinformed

Out2pasture · 08/06/2016 01:04

all companies prepare, was anyone around for the Y2K preparations? so they are preparing, moving things, and thinking of possible scenarios. companies do this for bad weather storms too.
what ever happens the following morning will not be any different than the morning before.
government wheels move very very slowly.

LilySnape · 08/06/2016 01:06

Bridgetoc you do know immigration is still happening if we leave right Hmm We're not gonna build a wall and make syria pay for it ya'know Wink the main reason for voting Out is the massive amounts of money handed over to the EU which need to going back into the British economy and used to fund schools and hospitals and housing for all those well educated migrants coming here with their qualifcations for a better life.