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Parent living with us – fair household contributions and the legal position?

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whatsyouradvice · Yesterday 08:06

We’re in England. My partner’s elderly parent lives with us and has a degenerative condition with substantial day-to-day care needs. Paid carers cover some of this, but we provide considerable unpaid support around their visits. There is also the care coordination, appointments, equipment, adaptations and extra household work.

We want to support them, but after several years of supporting older relatives, the impact on our lives is considerable. We have very little free time, rarely get away, and my employment choices are being shaped by the family’s needs.
My partners’ parent suggestion is that their contribution should cover their share of bills only, preserving their savings for future care. I understand why having money available for care matters. However, I’m concerned about keeping their living expenses low when doing so depends on substantial contributions from us, both financially and through our time and unpaid care. I’d like an arrangement that considers everyone’s needs and to take into account this huge change for us. And for me as the wife, it's falling on me more!

I’m not asking to be paid for care. I’m asking whether a contribution towards living in our home beyond their share of bills would be reasonable—for example, an additional £100–£150 a month towards household upkeep and unexpected costs.
For others who have had an elderly relative live with them:

  • Did they pay rent or board - e.g. rent a room or contribute to household upkeep, or just cover bills?
  • Is a contribution beyond bills legally acceptable, and could it raise deprivation-of-assets concerns if council-funded care is needed later?
  • How did you agree a fair amount and record the arrangement?

Parent won't qualify for CHC as yet and gets a lower-level attendance allowance
I’d appreciate real experiences of making this fair and sustainable for everyone.

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Diamond7272 · Today 00:35

Why are you bothering to 'preserve funds?'

My grandparents went into care homes, 1 a dementia specialist home. At 7,000 and 4800 per month for each of them, their £200,000 savings were gone in under 2 years....

All but 20k which was in the end used for funerals and tying up loose ends in. The will such as charity bequests.

90% of the other people in the homes had the council paying their fees entirely.

In other words there was no point 'protecting' their money at all. It got nicked off them and they had exactly the same final few years as people who'd blown the lit in the pub, hadn't worked most of their lives, wasted it gambling and so on...

Why are you bothering to look after the money??? Look after yourself.

Legally, if the council want your family cash, they will take it and there's nothing you can do about it. Best thing is spend, spend, spend (on carers) long before the care home entrance is needed. Broke people also get social services assistance immediately. Rich people get a shrug of the shoulders and 'not our problem, mate' attitude.

Spend the money. £100 or 200 a month towards bills is 1 or 2% the real world cost of 1:1 care these days. Your husbands numbers are laughable... The sums have moved on....

Diamond7272 · Today 00:53

Just fished out bills..

Year 1 dementia care.. Gma £85,659.23

Year 1 care home grandfather £53,560

Year 2 dementia care gma £88.952

Year 2 care home grandfather £57210

Total spend 2024 and 2025 for 2 grandparents £282,000 plus add ons for hairdressers, clubs, chiropody £4386.

So about £287,000 for the 2 of them in two years.

They had £210,000 after selling their home in the bank, were able to keep £23000 allowance (which the council couldn't take), so all their money 187,000 was spent in just over a year and a half before the council took over the bills for care....

Again, my advice to the OP is use the elderly Persons money now to pay their true, fair share. As other posters have said, nearer a 1000 a month at least rather than a joke of 120.

Otherwise,its you, you personally, who us getting poorer by £880 per month, as are your children...

When money is involved, the council will just go 'yippy' when they see your numbers and hear your husband talk.

UTTER YIPPPPPYYYY!!! with thinking 'suckers'

HeyMoonPie · Today 06:13

whatsyouradvice · Yesterday 08:06

We’re in England. My partner’s elderly parent lives with us and has a degenerative condition with substantial day-to-day care needs. Paid carers cover some of this, but we provide considerable unpaid support around their visits. There is also the care coordination, appointments, equipment, adaptations and extra household work.

We want to support them, but after several years of supporting older relatives, the impact on our lives is considerable. We have very little free time, rarely get away, and my employment choices are being shaped by the family’s needs.
My partners’ parent suggestion is that their contribution should cover their share of bills only, preserving their savings for future care. I understand why having money available for care matters. However, I’m concerned about keeping their living expenses low when doing so depends on substantial contributions from us, both financially and through our time and unpaid care. I’d like an arrangement that considers everyone’s needs and to take into account this huge change for us. And for me as the wife, it's falling on me more!

I’m not asking to be paid for care. I’m asking whether a contribution towards living in our home beyond their share of bills would be reasonable—for example, an additional £100–£150 a month towards household upkeep and unexpected costs.
For others who have had an elderly relative live with them:

  • Did they pay rent or board - e.g. rent a room or contribute to household upkeep, or just cover bills?
  • Is a contribution beyond bills legally acceptable, and could it raise deprivation-of-assets concerns if council-funded care is needed later?
  • How did you agree a fair amount and record the arrangement?

Parent won't qualify for CHC as yet and gets a lower-level attendance allowance
I’d appreciate real experiences of making this fair and sustainable for everyone.

Presume this is after reading the recent case of the 5 siblings who took the sixth one who had their mother (with dementia) living with her to court and arrested for fraud after taking money from her mother's account. They thought that the occasional £50 a week was enough (amounted to £6000) the judge thought otherwise and awarded £127500. ?

MyNoisyBee · Today 07:03

Callalilly2016 · Yesterday 09:29

You mention this is your partner’s mother. I would be wary about giving up your employment and future pension to care for someone when you are not married. If you were to split up, your partner will inherit the money you have saved by doing the care and you may be entitled to nothing. Whilst you would likely succeed in making a legal argument that you are entitled to money for the care provided, it would not be a given. They are benefiting from your labour and refusing to ensure you are properly compensated in any way. Not only are you providing care but you are financially subsidising her. I would take a step back and think seriously about what is in your best interests. Perhaps also worth you seeking legal advice about potential future scenarios. It’s a nonsense to suggest paying rent would be seen as deprivation of assets. Don’t let your partner put you in a poor position that benefits him and his mother only.

I completely agree with this. At the very very least, they should be giving you a decent chunk of money each month to put in your own pension. Regular gifts out of excess income don’t affect inheritance tax, or anything else. If they are not willing to compensate you for your lack of pension then go back to work full time and leave this to your partner to figure out.

HatethedarknightsQW · Today 07:12

Also sort out some respite care so you can have some time away. I think you sound like you are picking up too much….

Pherian · Today 09:37

whatsyouradvice · Yesterday 08:06

We’re in England. My partner’s elderly parent lives with us and has a degenerative condition with substantial day-to-day care needs. Paid carers cover some of this, but we provide considerable unpaid support around their visits. There is also the care coordination, appointments, equipment, adaptations and extra household work.

We want to support them, but after several years of supporting older relatives, the impact on our lives is considerable. We have very little free time, rarely get away, and my employment choices are being shaped by the family’s needs.
My partners’ parent suggestion is that their contribution should cover their share of bills only, preserving their savings for future care. I understand why having money available for care matters. However, I’m concerned about keeping their living expenses low when doing so depends on substantial contributions from us, both financially and through our time and unpaid care. I’d like an arrangement that considers everyone’s needs and to take into account this huge change for us. And for me as the wife, it's falling on me more!

I’m not asking to be paid for care. I’m asking whether a contribution towards living in our home beyond their share of bills would be reasonable—for example, an additional £100–£150 a month towards household upkeep and unexpected costs.
For others who have had an elderly relative live with them:

  • Did they pay rent or board - e.g. rent a room or contribute to household upkeep, or just cover bills?
  • Is a contribution beyond bills legally acceptable, and could it raise deprivation-of-assets concerns if council-funded care is needed later?
  • How did you agree a fair amount and record the arrangement?

Parent won't qualify for CHC as yet and gets a lower-level attendance allowance
I’d appreciate real experiences of making this fair and sustainable for everyone.

I would honestly start speaking with your local housing authority about their care arrangements and cost. See if you qualify for any benefits as their carer. They may need to go on waiting lists for special care facilities or housing now.

You should consider whether this is your problem as well. These are your partners parents and your partner should be figuring these things out, not you. You’re giving up career and income for people who on paper want as much out of you as possible and pay as little as they can. This doesn’t sound like a fair situation.

NattyLilacLeader · Today 11:27

If I were you I’d get myself a solicitor who specialises in ‘health & social care law’ or ‘Community care law’ they are far and few between but are out there. Age UK often know who they are and will let you have half hour sessions with one of these Solicitors free who you can talk too. Age UK may help you with other questions you might have also. I used one of these Solicitors who was excellent at her job and was invaluable to me once Social Services become involved. we’ve done what you are doing and it is very very hard especially once carers become involved.
There are organisations where for a fee a person will come and sit with them for a couple of hours a week so you can get a break with your husband, I can’t remember the name of the organisation we used but again age UK local to you should know who they are.

CandySmash · Today 12:10

This relative can gift £3k per year to their children tax free & £250 to others per year tax free

Plus birthday & Xmas

I would encorage your household to take more money now for looking after.

I will find the link

Example

A friend is paying £1500 month for daily carers

Arrange help, so that you can go on holidays & breaks

Where I live it is £20+ per hour for someone to pop in to help & that is someone with no caring responsibilities

CandySmash · Today 12:14

Anyone not working or working small amount of hours can put £2880 per year into a SIPP, the Government adds free money up to £3600 per year.

CandySmash · Today 12:20

https://www.gov.uk/carers-allowance

One of you in the household should claim this.

I believe the earnings cap has been changed in this budget.
It also pays your National Insurance contributions in full (helpful if not working)

Carer's Allowance

Apply for Carer's Allowance - money to help you look after someone who needs to be cared for. Apply online or use form DS700.

https://www.gov.uk/carers-allowance

CandySmash · Today 12:21

In summary

Yes, they should pay more into the household

Reinventedblanket · Today 13:19

CandySmash · Today 12:20

https://www.gov.uk/carers-allowance

One of you in the household should claim this.

I believe the earnings cap has been changed in this budget.
It also pays your National Insurance contributions in full (helpful if not working)

The earnings cap is still very low. The OP won't be eligible for carers allowance.

EmmaB1309 · Today 13:29

Unacceptable. Relative is sitting on £200000 in savings, is willing to pay more, husband has his head in the sand and it’s the age old tale of he doesn’t see the unpaid work his wife does for HIS parent. This boils my blood. It’s time to write down and itemise all the additional costs and give him an estimate of how much you’ve lost out on in earnings. Deprivation of assets will not be an issue. The relative would be paying rent somewhere if they weren’t staying with you. Methinks your OH has his eye on his inheritance which is utterly ridiculous as it’s costing you NOW.

GrumblingGeek · Today 13:50

so let’s say they live for ten years.

so in that time you could earning say £25k a year or more.
so youve to lose out on £25k x10 years = £250k as you cant work if looking after them.

all so they can save their bank balance of £200k to give in their will to other people (not you) in inheritance ….

thats madness. they need to reimburse you for what you lose out on IN ADDITION to paying their share of bills etc.

i think the fairest thing is that you go back to work and they have daily carers in to look after them which they pay for themselves. with you AND DH doing bits and bobs where required, like hoovering and changing beds now and again if continence is ok. And they pay you both the going rate for a suite of rooms including bills in a house.

that way carers can see to their needs if youll both be away for the weekend providing they can use a microwave and do dishes etc. If not hire a service to do that. You cannot sacrifice your lives to look after them all the time. you need your freedom.

DemonsandMosquitoes · Today 16:47

Dreadful. Are they at least paying into a pension for you?
I hope I don’t do this to my adult children in the prime of their life when I’ve had the best of mine. Utterly selfish.

MrsCarson · Today 19:09

Ayarreet · Yesterday 11:57

I think you're mixing up Carers Allowance with Severe Disability Premium.
Only a person caring for 35hrs per week can claim CA.
SDP os paid to someone on qualifying benefit for whom no-one is claiming CA.

I got it the wrong way round, it's attendance allowance that the inlaws should apply for. Doesn't matter what is earned it's based on their needing help for daily needs.

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