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Elderly parents

Advice please: Elderly mil cannot carry on living with me

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joystir59 · 28/02/2021 18:36

Sorry if this is a bit long:
My DW died in July. Her mum had been living with us for some years at this point. There is another daughter who is very hands off and lives approx 200 miles away
Mil is 87, poor sight, poor hearing, bad mobility, not able to manage her own affairs or communicate without extensive help, struggles to use the shower. I support her with shopping, laundry and overseeing things like GP reviews. She hasn't left the house for years. She is reclusive and uncooperative, will not grant her surviving daughter LPA, hasn't written a will, doesn't like anyone coming in to provide care or support e.g. if I want to go away. She is scared of being left alone at night and not able to leave the house unaided.
I have decided that she cannot continue to live here and I'm not prepared to become her carer and give up my freedom. I also don't think her needs are being met, and this will get worse. I want her to go into a nursing or residential home near her other daughter so daughter can oversee her care.
I understand she will need a Care Needs Assessment. Does anyone know if this can be done here where she now lives but then be used by the local authority in her daughter's area? Does anyone know how difficult it is to get an assessment that a residential home is needed?).
Any advice on any aspect of the process gratefully received.

OP posts:
Rachie1973 · 21/04/2021 09:20

[quote LondonJax]@joystir59 I wish you all the very best in trying to take care of MIL. Because that is exactly what you are doing (despite what some on here may think).

My DMum was diagnosed with Alzheimer's 7 years ago. At first my DSis's and I managed to help her in her own home as she was able to shop, cook and look after herself with a little help. We got Attendance Allowance for her which allowed us to get domestic help as mum's issue was she forgot to clean properly. We were assigned an Admiral's Nurse - marvellous help to us in getting benefits etc. Worth speaking to that organisation if you are coping with a relative with dementia. They even managed to get a blue badge for mum - and we know how hard they are to get!

Then, a few years later, she moved into an Extra Care sheltered home - as someone has already explained, these are flats for independent living but with helpers on site to cover medical needs or similar.
She had begun to forget to take her medications despite us putting them into boxes for her and her Alzheimer's made her eligible as a council tenant to the extra help.

She was there a year when I found her, at 9.30am, putting her dinner in the oven one day. Her on site carer - who used to come in three times a day to do her tablets for her as she was forgetting to take those - confirmed that she'd had breakfast at 7.30am. Her district nurse (mum was diabetic) confirmed that she'd seen her do this once before. We discovered she was eating all her meals before lunch time and nothing then until the morning - which made her diabetes worse.

Within a month or so she had started wandering. Thankfully the main doors were on a pressure pad device which she didn't know how to operate or she'd have been in the road at 4.30am (the time the carer called me).

So we upped the help. We got Wiltshire Farm Foods so that mum's carer could make her a meal whilst they did her medication and sit with her so she ate at the right time.

Six months later she had a massive fall and never returned to her flat. She was assessed and we realised she had, basically, got to the stage where everyone was doing everything for her. We, her daughters, would organise all her medication, get her shopping, give her a shower, do her washing and ironing. Her carers were microwaving her meals, making sandwiches and cups of tea and making sure she had her medication. The domestic helper was doing her cleaning and also making her cuppas as was the district nurse. Mum literally was just sitting in a chair until it was time to go to the Day Centre once a week - which was the highlight of her week. What she was missing was company. We were all keeping her alive but not giving her a life.

As a family we spent so much time 'doing' stuff for her that we forgot she was our mum. There wasn't a lot of time for chit chat. We arrived, did her shower, put her washing on or got the ironing done if another sister had done the washing the day before. We'd get her ready for appointments - I covered 27 individual appointments one year as she had so many different issues. But actually coming in, making a cuppa and spending a few hours chatting just didn't happen anymore. She needed so much doing for her.

The respite home she went into whilst decisions were being made called me one day and said they really thought full term care was the only way forward now. So Social Services got involved. I was ready to fight for mum's corner but the meeting lasted 30 minutes and mum was on the list for a care home place at that point.

Mum's care home (LA funded as she was a council tenant) was lovely. Mum settled the minute she walked in. Just to see her laughing with the staff when we came to visit was lovely and to actually be able to get a cuppa and sit and chat to her knowing someone else was doing all the 'stuff' that kept her going was a blessing. She spent two Christmases there and Christmas Day was wonderful. Three course meal, presents for every resident from the staff, visitors chatting to everyone and all the staff in Santa hats with Christmas songs being played and residents joining in. The care was fantastic and their patience was something to see. I couldn't have done half the things they did for my mum.

Mum died last year, just before the Covid lockdown began. But for the two years she was in that home we got a bit of our mum back. The stress on our shoulders was taken away. I was getting, before mum went in, phone calls at 3am as mum thought it was 3pm (a common dementia problem). I'd get calls if she had a fall and would be sitting on the floor with her and a carer at 4am waiting for an ambulance to come and assess if she could be moved. Meanwhile my DH was at home getting our DS ready for primary school and I'd be clock watching hoping I wasn't going to end up in A&E whilst DH phoned work, yet again, to say there was a problem and he couldn't get in.

When she was in her care home she had a couple of falls. We found out the next day as the care home staff dealt with it, ambulance called, no major damage and back into bed. The stress that fell away from me was unbelievable. I hadn't realised how badly I was coping towards the end, before she was accepted for residential care home.

For mum and for us a care home was the best option. It was a pleasure to be with our mum again where it was beginning to become a chore that we just did out of duty. We've got lovely memories of mum in her care home. The laughter we'd hear as one of the team said something 'cheeky' to her, the smile on her face when she saw us arrive, then the smile on her face when we left as she realised tea and cake was being served (so we often went without even a wave from her!)

Sometimes doing the right thing can involve doing the hard thing. I watched a very dear friend of ours work his way into the ground trying to care for his DW even with four carers and friends helping. When she died it was like watching a slab of wall being lifted off of him - he was so tired, so stressed with all the things he 'had' to do. We know someone through friends of ours who can't go out after work now as her mum, who lives with her, calls all the time if she isn't home by 6.30pm. It's not a way to live and it builds resentment when final years should be filled with love.

Sorry for the ramble but people often dismiss or belittle the idea that relationships can be saved by making these sorts of decisions.[/quote]
As a carer it’s lovely to hear stories like this. I work in ‘enhanced independent living’ but in reality many shouldn’t be with us. Their care needs are far higher than we can provide in 3 or 4 calls a day.

I know care homes get a bad rap, but many of us working in them love our jobs and our residents. We mourn too when one passes away. Making a resident laugh or hearing them sing along with my tuneless warbling can make my day.

Making the end years better is a privilege for many of us.

Joeblack066 · 21/04/2021 09:21

@joystir59

Went to visit dmil in her new home, took the dog to see her. She is enjoying all the care and attention, the food and the kindness and said I made the right decision. Seeing her with fresh eyes I see how frail she is and how happy she is to have the extra help she is getting now. We had a great chat together, and a cry, about missing her daughter. And how worried she is about her other daughter. She asked me to look after her. Her other daughter's husband isn't very well although expected to recover, and he's ten years older- dmil worries about her being left alone. I said I will keep contact with her, she is welcome to visit any time and I will help her any way I can. My DW and her sister loved each other. It's very early days but dmil seems to be settling well. So far so good. I'm slowly finding my way in the big empty house, just me and the dog, but it does continue to feel right and good. Thank you everyone here for your support..
I am so happy to see this positive outcome. You have been amazing, and you can both now move on with your lives, whatever that looks like. Good luck for the future. X
crosspelican · 21/04/2021 09:45

Just read this whole thread, and want to add my voice to all the people telling you what a great job you have done and what a kind, sensitive and generous person you are. Your MIL will be better cared for where she is now, and you have put a huge amount of work into making the whole thing as painless as possible.

I know you have had an incalculable loss, but I hope that now you can lead your life as you would choose it, and find happiness.

BertramLacey · 21/04/2021 09:47

I'm late to the thread OP but I have read all your posts. I've worked in care and in my experience, moving into a care home can be the best thing for some people. They can actually really thrive there - they have round the clock care and they have company. They have a routine and so many stresses are taken away from them. I've known dementia patients actually get better - I don't mean the dementia goes away, but its progression may reverse a little for a time.

I wish you and your MiL all the best. Now you can start to take care of yourself as well.

Barney60 · 21/04/2021 09:51

SO sorry to hear on loss of your wife Joystir59.

Can i advise you to contact Wayup for widows and widowers, it is a group of people in the same shoes aged 50-70+ with help/ support/holidays/ fun outings, or just online support. Male and female from all walks of life.it is not a dating site just support. They are not sados either!

Also what an amazing person you have been for supporting your MIL.

I would contact your local help the aged, citizens advice and local authority to see whats best for her.

Advise your MIL that she now needs help that you are unable to give.
As others have advised be strong and firm, they will talk to her to see what her needs are and place accordingly, it may be a case of waiting for a place to become available, but think id also be inclined to set a time scale on this.
Good luck.

longwayoff · 21/04/2021 10:13

@BusyLizzie61, perhaps OP will drop her MIL off at your house very shortly and leave her with you so you can arrange things to your satisfaction. Then you will be in the OPs situation, caring for someone not related to you and not of your choosing. I hope you get on well together and spend many happy years doing so.

withpeaceandlove · 21/04/2021 10:17

Also just read the full thread and wanted to say well done and that you sound lovely! I bet your wife would have been proud of the way you've looked out for her mother Thanks

Woodlandbelle · 21/04/2021 10:48

I just wanted to say this thread warmed my hesrt and you are an incredible person. I wish you all the very best in your life and importantly wanted to say sorry for your loss.

EL8888 · 21/04/2021 11:04

Glad to hear the outcome and the updates. Condolences for your wife xx

theemmadilemma · 21/04/2021 11:16

Well done OP. I watched my own mother struggle caring for her father. It was too much. She's made it thoroughly clear than none of her children will be required to do that care, and that she'll make appropriate arrangements because she couldn't bare the burden to be put on us. You did thoroughly the right thing for everyone.

Notaroadrunner · 21/04/2021 11:33

Lovely update. It's great that MIL is settling in so well. And it's a lovely time of year for her to have moved in as the weather is getting better and no doubt they can be out sitting in the gardens. She'll make friends and will hopefully get involved in activities, be it card games, bingo or gentle exercises, something is bound to suit. I bet her daughter is relieved now too that you have sorted this out. All she needs to do is visit, if and when she bothers. Best of luck for your future. Take time now to mind yourself, and the dog of course Smile

GETTINGLIKEMYMOTHER · 21/04/2021 11:43

I’m another who will never want or expect my dds to take on my care. Having been through it all twice with elderly relatives, there is no way I ever want that for them. And for avoidance of all doubt, in case I can no longer speak (with full mental capacity) for myself, I’ve made that crystal clear in an addition to my Health and Welfare Power of Attorney.
Dh has done the same.

I would urge anyone who feels the same to do likewise.,

1WayOrAnother2 · 21/04/2021 12:24

You sound a wonderful partner to your wife and a lovely person.

I hope that someone cares for me so well and so thoughtfully when I am old. Your MIL has love and care. She is lucky to have you.

longwayoff · 21/04/2021 12:27

Excellent outcome OP. Few people would have been as considerate as you. Hope she's happy and you're happy too.

EmbarrassingAdmissions · 21/04/2021 12:39

It's been so good to see your updates - what an excellent outcome this has been for your MiL.

May your heart and mind be at peace on this matter as you recover from the too early loss of your wife.

Alsohuman · 21/04/2021 13:35

@joystir59, I’ve just read all your posts on this thread and my eyes are damp. You couldn’t have done any better. I remember so well how stressful this process is. You’ve handled it perfectly. Respect.

YankeeDad · 21/04/2021 13:45

@joystir59

You have acted with kindness, compassion, diligence and honour. I am truly impressed.

I wish you all the best for the years to come.

1forAll74 · 21/04/2021 13:52

No. would not use this service. It's the kind of service that is probably used by more affluent people,in expensive city stores,when they are too busy to wrap gifts,,and don't like sellotape either.

katiedidnt · 21/04/2021 13:52

Just read all your updates, @joystir59.

I just wanted to say that what you have done for this woman is amazing. As nice as my ex-MIL was, I can't imagine doing what you did for anyone's mum other than my own!

I hope you manage to find a way to move forward with your own life and find some happiness again. I know it's been a while, but I really am so sorry for your loss and what you've dealt with. You really must have a very kind heart, and I wish you every bit of joy ahead in the future.

Genderwitched · 21/04/2021 15:09

@joystir59

Just read the whole thread, I cannot tell you how wonderful it is that the outcome has been so positive for you and your Mil. I am in awe at your strength and caring for this lady, and I do hope that you will find peace in your decision that this was the best outcome for her and you.

I hope that in the fullness of time you will be able to have a relationship that mutually benefits both of you, full of reminiscences and laughter.

Wishing you both all the best for the future Flowers

Diamondnights · 21/04/2021 19:16

Well done Joystir, you have been wonderful. God bless you.

BlueDahlia69 · 21/04/2021 22:41

You're so very kind OP

Joystir59 · 09/05/2022 11:17

An update to let you know that after a fight the council have decided that mil CAN stay permanently at her residential home. I'm so relieved! Thank you so much to all who supported me here.

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Willowkins · 09/05/2022 18:21

Hi joystir59 that's good news. I remember you fought so hard to get the right outcome for her. I hope you're doing okay yourself.

Stath · 25/05/2022 13:12

Excellent News @joystir59

Please can you promise all of us on this thread (including lurkers) something?

Please can you take some time to do something lovely for YOU? Hope you’re planning lots of great, healing, fantastic self-care stuff.

You deserve ALL the nice things 😊

💐💐💐💐💐

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