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Need some help. Visiting my elderly father is excrutiating.

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needsomehelpwiththisone · 14/10/2018 17:17

I've done a new account for this post but I've been here for a long time.

I am desperate for some advice about visiting my elderly father, because I feel like the world's biggest bitch and I don't know what to do.

Background: We have nothing in common. We did not get on well when I was growing up. I am an only child (relevant). My mother is dead (also relevant).

A few years ago, dad, by then in his mid 80s (now late 80s) moved into sheltered accommodation about a half hour drive from me having previously lived seven hours away at the other end of the country. There was really no other option as due to my own poor health I could not make the visit to see him any more and he was all alone and beginnig to struggle on his own. Until the point where he moved, we saw each other once a year, perhaps twice at the very most - I would go "home" to visit for a couple of days at a time and we'd both be climbing the walls after a day. Visits were only ever two days at the most. My father is very insular. Conversations consisted of "Do you watch this television programme?" and nothing more. He was never interested in anything I had to say, so I didn't bother to tell him what was going on in my life. It was painful.

Now he lives near me and is older and still on his own, I am expected to visit once a week. In principle I agree with this, he's on his own after all and I'm his only living relative. But I find the visits absolutely excrutiating and I'm beginning to put off going. We are not close, and we have nothing to talk about. He doesn't listen to anything I have to say, so there's no point telling him anything. I arrive, I take him to the shop, but this only takes half an hour at the most, and then I don't know what to do. We sit there in silence. He doesn't do anything except watch television, so I can't ask him about his day. He's also very deaf, so conversation is almost impossible, even if he was interested in anything I had to say.

He also insists on phoning me twice a day just to "hear my voice" (he can make out my voice on the phone, apparently, but nobody else's). I understand why, he's very lonely, but I don't know what to say to him then either and vice versa. I have no clue how to relate to him at all and never have done. Our relationship growing up was fractious and argumentative and unpleasant - he's mellowed with age - but there are no nice memories to sit and talk about. I sometimes take him out for lunch, but again, conversation is so difficult that we sit and eat lunch in the pub in silence and then I take him home again.

Please, what can I do to make these visits more bearable for both of us? Not going is not an option, since he will call me and beg me to go if I don't. I dread going. I put it off for as long as humanly possible. And I feel terrible.

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OTincognito · 17/10/2018 23:18

life is full of shit choices @NoSquirrels but these aren't the ops choices to make.

Even residents of nursing homes are able to exercise choice regarding medication refusal.

NoSquirrels · 17/10/2018 23:25

I understand that, OT - i know it’s not simple or without its own issues. I’m just trying to show that the future is not necessarily today’s situation ad infinitum and that there are options to explore, which would ease things for OP.

Short term solutions to manage emotional reactions and practical issues, longer term options for a way out of the crushing obligation.

But it all starts with accepting it’s a shit situation and thinking about what’s best for OP not making it all about his needs.

What’s the AA prayer? grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to know the difference.

UptownFlunk · 17/10/2018 23:26

He wouldn't meet the criteria at present because the OP is keeping him on an even keel by responding to his anxious calls etc. If she didn't do this he'd probably have some sort of episode which would show the extent of his problems, at which point he may well need to be moved. Managers of sheltered accommodation swiftly move on people when their needs cannot be met there.

He has short-term memory problems, severe anxiety and cannot look after himself.

Sunisshining3228 · 18/10/2018 00:09

I feel for you OP.
Especially as you say he has not shown a lot of interest in you up to this point - doubly hard.
Would like to suggest block his number on your phone (say vaguely you have phone problems at the moment, can’t receive incoming calls)
Tell sheltered housing manager emergency calls only from the office
And that you’ve had to put boundaries on the amount of calls he makes to you because it is getting to crazy levels. Ask if they’ll tell him your phone is broken right now if he asks them to call you for him.

(I don’t think it’s unreasonable at all that you don’t chat to him daily as he expects. He’s checked on regularly by carers, his anxiety is severe but that doesn’t mean that it’s your role to manage that for him twice a day- that’s a lot to put on one person I think.)

When you visit offer to take him out to a lunch club or something where you will have a chance of interaction with people other than him, if he refuses sit with him for a time limited time and watch tv with him (if he’ll agree) or read a book/ do a jigsaw on your phone or something, then go. Keep visits same day and time in the week if possible. Having music on in the background might help your sanity if he’s refusing to go out and his preferred topics of conversation are how bad things are for him and how he needs you to help more :-(

If he keeps refusing to dangerous levels to find other ways to address his anxiety or personal hygiene without you doing it all he is heading towards care home territory.
But it doesn’t mean that you should do it all to try and prevent this.

Very easy to say for someone who is not my relative Flowers

JudgeRulesNutterButter · 18/10/2018 00:42

OP what really sticks out from your thread for me is how stressful you are finding this even when you are not actually with or speaking to your father. It sounds like he has completely intruded into your whole life. I think the posters suggesting changing your phone settings are on the right lines. I was going to say block his number and then unblock it when you’re ready, as another example. Anything to stop you seeing that list of missed calls.

Or if you are about to pick your phone up and you know you’re going to see that number- phone him first, from your landline, before you even look. That way when you do see that he’s rung, you’ve already discharged your duty and phoned back, and you can just clear your phone. It might help to change that rush of negative emotions and help you withstand him better.

Upthread someone said to put him to the back of your mind and you asked whether it was okay to do that. I would say yes and go further. Give yourself specific times when you are not going to think about him. Block his phone, block the carers (by definition if they are there with him then they can deal with a crisis), put him right out of your head. Maybe try doing that for a morning after you’ve spoken to him, or however long seems reasonable to you. Get off that lead for a few hours at least and hopefully it might seem a fraction more bearable.

I would also think about going to your gp on your own behalf. Yes he’s the one with the original anxiety, but that doesn’t mean that you can’t seek help for your own stress. If it helps you to keep on keeping on, then that would be worth it.

Good luck Flowers

GoldenMcOldie · 18/10/2018 01:39

OP - people are genuinely trying to offer advice. They are reading what you are saying. You are actually not reading what people are saying.

You are obviously very distressed and overwhelmed. I do feel for you. There is no good being snippy with those of us who have taken the time to respond.

My last thought - and it is well intentioned. If you are being even a little bit as difficult with your Dad and his current carers, as you are with people on this thread, then you might be a large part of the problem. It may be kinder to your Dad to bow out for a few weeks/however long it takes.

You say it would be cruel to abandon him. It is more cruel to be angry and imposed upon. For both of you.

needsomehelpwiththisone · 18/10/2018 04:31

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SnuggyBuggy · 18/10/2018 05:56

There is no need to be so rude.

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GinIsIn · 18/10/2018 06:26

Just so you all know, the OP sends vile and abusive PMs to anyone who doesn’t agree with her. You may want to consider this before replying. It’s now VERY clear why the OP can’t hold a conversation. I feel very sorry for the father!

GoldenMcOldie · 18/10/2018 06:32

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GoldenMcOldie · 18/10/2018 06:35

#threadreportedGrin

buttybuttybutthole · 18/10/2018 06:49

Oh dear.

user1494670108 · 18/10/2018 07:10

It seems the apple doesn't fall far from the tree 🌳.
The op - if she's for real- is behaving exactly the same way as her father

ArabellaUmbrella · 18/10/2018 07:15

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ashtrayheart · 18/10/2018 07:20

@LethalWhite was spot on. OP you've had a lot of great advice and some harsher responses amongst them. How you have responded to those is very telling.

tiredvommachine · 18/10/2018 07:22

I think it is very real. Think OP sounds like she's in crisis Sad

SnuggyBuggy · 18/10/2018 07:24

I think it's going to take the sort of crisis where the OP won't be able to see DF before anything changes.

Inforthelonghaul · 18/10/2018 07:27

OP you have my sympathy. Nothing is as draining as having to care and feel responsible for a parent when you don’t have a wonderful close loving relationship as a basis. That feeling of if I don’t do it no one will and if there’s a problem it’s all my fault because I wasn’t there can be all consuming and it can make you ill.

You need to take a step back and make sure you’re ok. Shopping can be delivered. You can record an answerphone message for his calls so he can hear your voice. If you need a break you need a break. You have to understand that whatever you do it will never be enough, some people are a never ending pit of misery and you can’t change that. As long as they are ‘cared for’ how they feel is largely down to them and their personality and nothing you do will change that.

AlmaGeddon · 18/10/2018 08:02

What you have to do is change your image of yourself from caring daughter of selfish demanding man to individual getting on with her life who limits the impositions of her selfish father. So you are not the 'lovely' person you want to be, due to circumstances, you are instead saving your sanity and leaving him to 'suffer' but be realistic, he would be miserable, anxious and 'suffering' whether you go or not. You are angry because you cannot be the traditional image of the doting caring DD you are the selfish DD ignoring her DF (that is from societal expectations not in reality). You have to learn to live with that.

MichaelMumsnet · 18/10/2018 08:28

Thanks for the reports about this one. And thank you to everyone who took the time to give advice on what sounds like a very tough situation.
As the thread has descended into a bun fight, we think it's time to close it now.

OTincognito · 18/10/2018 08:40

Hold on - it's not s bun fight at all. Op appears completely genuine and in complete crisis.

Loads of people have given advice and shared stories.

She's getting frustrated by people not reading the thread and personally attacking her.

Cancel the cheque anyone?

ny20005 · 18/10/2018 08:45

I reported last night as had genuine concerns for her mental health

If it's turned into a bun fight, it's the op's own doing & she's clearly having some sort of crisis. I really hope she gets the help she needs

GoldenMcOldie · 18/10/2018 08:54

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LethalWhite · 18/10/2018 08:56

I don’t know what you’d call this, but it’s not a bunfight.

Get some help Op

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