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Elderly parents

DM (81)'s house uninhabitable and she's in denial - HELP!!!

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TheMadGardener · 03/03/2018 22:14

Cross-posting between here and 30 days as I’m hoping to get more help.

Lots of background here, please bear with me as this will be VERY VERY LONG…My mother has always been “difficult” and with a massive tendency to deny or ignore anything awkward/unpleasant in the hope that if she does nothing, someone else will sort it out. Probably why, when her marriage broke down, she took herself home to live with my DGPs and dumped me and my DSis on them – DGPs did all the hard work of parenting, DM just lived in the same house but did her own thing. No matter how elderly DGPs got, they were always responsible for household bills and maintenance, DM not interested in responsibility.

Time went by. DGPs died 20 years ago and DM just went on living in their house. Technically the ownership of the house is still in dispute (they died intestate, DM has one brother she hasn’t spoken to in 40 years, he sent a few legal letters about house, DM ignored letters, he let things go as he is well off, she just went on living there.) House became dilapidated and now is getting to be a ruin. No central heating, for example, only electric heaters. DM only has pension but never did anything pro-active about getting help with house. Discouraged DSis and I from visiting. Only comes to see us if really pushed into it. Makes excuses why no one should visit her. Never phones us, we always have to phone her if we want contact. DM is now 81. Still drives (badly) but this is essential as ruinous house is in remote village with no shop.

DSis lives about 20 mins from her. DSis is single, lives in a tiny one-bedroomed flat, works in a high-pressure but not very well paid job in the NHS and is also studying for a degree in her spare time. DSis has done an awful lot for DM over the years, taking her out, doing shopping for her, helping her in lots of ways. Is allowed to pick DM up and drop her off from house but not go in.

I used to live 6/7 hours away from DM but now have moved only 90 minutes away. I am married with two DDs at secondary school and DH is undergoing treatment for Stage 4 bowel cancer which is incurable. Since we moved nearer I have also made efforts to see DM more and take her for days out but have not been allowed in house. She came to us for Christmas and I tried to get her to stay longer with us because I knew her house must be freezing in winter (I grew up there, so I know!) but she insisted on going home after 1 day. We constantly worried about the state of her house but she refused to engage in any discussion about moving house or the future.

Last week DM had a fall – Dsis had rung earlier to check that she had food, etc during the snowstorm and told her not to risk going out, but she typically decided to go out for a walk, fell and broke her ankle. DSis had to drive through a snowstorm to get her to A and E. Since then DM has been sleeping on sofa bed in DSis’s tiny flat insisting she wanted to get home although unable to do stairs and we know her house is freezing.

Today DM’s neighbour rang to say she could hear water gushing noises in the house. DSis went over and found a frozen pipe had burst and the whole of downstairs was at least an inch deep in water. Also on looking round found that the ceilings have collapsed in two of the upstairs rooms and there are big holes in the roof at the back so wet upstairs too. A window at the back of the house has fallen out and DM has put a sheet of plastic over it. DM now admits that the window and the ceilings happened ages ago but she didn’t mention it because she was “coping fine”. Of course she has no buildings or contents insurance!

DSis got a plumber friend to come round and turn the water off (no one could find the ancient stop cock) and rang me in tears saying she just couldn’t cope. DM is still insisting she will be able to go back and live there when her ankle is better. The house is completely uninhabitable and she has no money to fix it.Neither DSis or I have thousands spare to fix it. We both feel like everyone will think we are shit daughters for letting things get like this, but honestly she totally denies there is a problem and refuses to discuss any possible solutions. This is the first time anyone has been allowed in her house for years!

I am going to get her tomorrow to stay with me as DSis is at the end of her tether – DM has been very difficult during the week she has been staying with her. I have room in my house but lots of steep stairs and no bath/shower downstairs although I can temporarily fix her up a camp bed downstairs and there is a downstairs toilet. DH has just had a bit of a cancer relapse so this couldn’t have happened at a worse time.

Of course it is Saturday evening and no agencies are open till Monday now. I was thinking of ringing our local branch of Age UK for advice, and the council adult social care and housing lines. I don’t know how these things work, but who do I need to talk to? Ideally we want to find her somewhere to live. She can’t live in that house, it would be condemned. If we can agree with her NC brother to sell it, it will only be sold as a derelict fixer-upper (although it is in a prime tourist Second Homes area). She has other health problems as well as the broken ankle (some incontinence which she denies, a heart problem which she denies). She can’t drive at the moment. She can’t live permanently with either me or DSis as our homes are not suitable. She has no savings to pay for care. The worst thing is that she refuses to admit that there are any problems. What we need is someone (not me or DSis) who will just TELL her that she has to move somewhere else, accept health care. Apart from the total denial syndrome, she presents as having capacity. What do we do???? Help!!!

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Elllicam · 25/10/2018 02:27

Oh my goodness I have nothing but respect for you and your DSis for putting up with your mum. I hope you get a great price for the house of horrors and meet up with the lovely cousins Flowers

SAHMlikeitHOT · 25/10/2018 03:06

Congrats on all you have done

Shitstormiscoming · 25/10/2018 03:52

TheMadGardener You and you Dsis sound awesome.

Have you met up with your cousins yet?

Flowers for you & prayers for your DH

TheMadGardener · 25/10/2018 15:37

Thanks, Shitstormiscomng .

Yes, my DH and DDs and I went to one cousin's house for lunch with her family a few weeks ago. It was a bit weird but playing with the dog and discussing gardens helped to ease conversation! Unfortunately DSis couldn't go that day as she was working. There's another meal planned for us to meet more of the family
(Obviously DM has NO IDEA about these meetings as she would flip if she knew!) I'm 90 mins drive away and have lots going on so I have to organise times to drive down to see the house or the estate agent or the cousins or DM, etc. DSis and I have shared some photos and personal mementoes of our mutual DGPs with the cousins.

As lovely DMIL has gone into a nursing home and her house is being sold too, she offered DM any furniture or bedding, china etc from her house which DM might like in her new flat. DM can't take anything large as the flat is already full, but she has done quite well from DMIL's kind offer. Hands up who thinks she said "Thank you"? Grin

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Shitstormiscoming · 25/10/2018 23:07

She sounds so negative and bitter

Just take the moral high ground and drink Wine

Fortysix · 26/10/2018 16:04

Just Wow. What a full on stressful six months. You have made such progress with an impossible situation. Thankfully your newly acquainted cousins seem to have the nice family genes and not the ones your mum has...

Every good wish to your DH, your DDs, DSis and DMIL. Hope the months ahead get easier for you all. You sound an amazing squad. Strength to you.

Hazardswan · 18/11/2018 17:21

Read the thread from start to finish. My. Gawd. you and your Dsis are StarStarStar

And from your DM may I say a THANK YOU to you both. ❤

FadedRed · 18/11/2018 18:08

What amazing people you are.

TheMadGardener · 19/11/2018 22:05

So , just a little update to say that I have accepted a very good offer for the house of horrors (ridiculous amount of money for a falling down house IMO but as I said it is in a desirable tourist area where rich second homers like to do up derelict properties into bijou places - the estate agent said, location, location, location!) Solicitors have started the conveyancing and hopefully before too long I'll be able to finish administering the estate.

DSis and I are now planning how to try to persuade DM to do something sensible with her share of the money and not give it to a conman or spend it on junk she can hoard...

Still in touch with long lost cousins but unfortunately aunt has now decided she has too many issues with things DM has done in the past to want to have a relationship with me or DSis.

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FadedRed · 20/11/2018 00:02

Glad things are moving on for you, Op.
I hope you are getting more time with your DH and DC’s.
would it be possible to persuade your mother to put the bulk of the proceeds in the house sale into the sort of bank account that needs some notice to withdraw money? Might prevent the worst case scenario of it being ‘gifted’ to a Nigerian Prince.

Fortysix · 20/11/2018 16:21

Hopefully when the sale of the falling down house concludes you will feel its burden lifting from your shoulders. I suspect 'doing something sensible' aren't words your DM recognises. Wine
FadedRed 's suggestion about a 'holding' account with a complex withdrawal mechanism is a very good one but I've no advice to offer other that every time I try to set up anything with the bank it takes about six visits. Always take your passport, your utility bills, her utility bills and her neighbours' bills for good measure as they ask for impossible amounts of proof and identity. Grin
Again every good wish to your lovely family. Flowers

RandomMess · 20/11/2018 16:57

Your poor Aunt Sad

I agree about the money!! Perhaps speak with a financial advisor see if it can be shut away to create a monthly income?

TheRealHousewife · 20/11/2018 17:17

Flowers what a generous nature you have OP. You’ve been dignified and carried out what needed to be done methodically and systematically with little or no help from your dm, all whilst dealing with your dh serious illness. I salute you.

Wishing your dh better health.

3luckystars · 27/12/2018 20:05

Your mother is completely mental, you cant give her a big pile of money! can you set up something with the bank that will give her a weekly 'salary'

I have been following your thread and think your sister and yourself have done amazingly well. I have a real understanding of some of the things you have spoken about, (especially worrying about others thinking I am a bad daughter) but you did everything you could and it is so heartening to see all the people that actually really understood and helped yourself and your sister.

I just wanted to wish you and your family all the best.

FucksBizz · 05/01/2019 19:06

Wow! Just read from start to finish. You are amazing. Hope you had a lovely Christmas. How is everyone now? Flowers

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TheMadGardener · 16/01/2019 16:53

Hello to anyone still following this saga.

The big news is that the sale of the house of horrors COMPLETED YESTERDAY!!! So if it does fall down completely (it's been deteriorating at a massive rate since being unoccupied for 9 months), it is not my problem any more! A rich person from the Home Counties has bought it for loadsamoney and is going to spend even more money and several years on completely renovating it, building an extension, etc. But I am quite pleased that they are actually planning to live there and not just use it as a second home, as many houses in that village now are.

My solicitors and the estate agents have both been amazingly proactive and pushed the conveyancing through really quickly, because of the urgency over the state of the place. I am so impressed with them. My solicitors are now holding the money (having already paid off the council who had a caution on the title), and after costs and my expenses as administrator (I have had to spend quite a lot of mine and DH's money on the understanding I would get it back) it shouldn't be too long before I finally finish administering the estate and the rest gets shared out between DM and my uncle's widow (aunt who we don't talk about, mother of the Evil But Not Actually Evil Cousins). Having said she didn't want contact with me and DSis, aunt then sent me a handmade Christmas card so may have thought again.

DM has been settled in her council retirement flat for about 8 months now, it was looking very cosy and warm and fairly tidy when I went round last week. I think she has now realised that the council are doing periodic inspections (which they are) so she had better not turn it into too much of a hoarder's paradise. She seems to be doing ok at keeping it clean, maybe not to my standards but pretty good by her standards!

We still have to sort out what is to be done with the money that DM is about to get from the estate. It is not nearly enough to buy a house or flat in this touristy area. I am hoping that the council will allow her to stay in the flat but she would pay her rent and council tax, obviously, as she will no longer be entitled to the benefits she has been living off. She wants to stay in the flat and in the village where she is now settled. If she isn't allowed to, we would have to find her a private rental somewhere which would be likely to be in the town instead of in the village. Discussing this with the council next week. She totally doesn't get why she would have to start paying her own rent and council tax ("but I've never had to pay for those things" - no DM because you lived rent-free off your parents for years and then on benefits...) I did point out it is illegal to go on claiming benefits once you have a large amount of money in the bank and she grudgingly agreed. She wants to give some of the money to me and DSis, which is surprisingly generous of her, and I pointed out that we would have to research the tax implications of how much you can give someone before paying tax, and again she was aghast about all this petty legal stuff she has never given a thought to Grin I will do my best to make sure she doesn't end up in jail for defrauding the benefits office or HMRC!

Anyway, once we have sorted out what to do with her money and made sure she has a secure roof over her head, and given my uncle's side of the family their share, it looks like the whole sorry mess will be sorted. The finish line is in sight!

On the down side, I have had many many unsuccessful job interviews in the last year (two more next week) and still have no job. And DH is still on chemo and we go back for the results of the latest CT scan next week, not really expecting much positive news from that. But at least the DM saga will be sorted. Thanks to all who have been following and given advice and support.

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3luckystars · 16/01/2019 17:36

She is so lucky to have you.

RandomMess · 16/01/2019 17:40

WooHoo!!!

AdaMcGrath · 17/01/2019 08:31

You and your sister are amazing Gardener. Your DM is incredibly lucky to have you and so pleased for you that the house of horrors is no longer your problem. Good luck for the CT results Flowers

stayathomegardener · 18/01/2019 20:46

What a great update @TheMadGardener! A cash gift from your DM would be amazing, you can gift a certain amount per year without penalties I believe.

Bests wishes for your DH scan next week.

TheMadGardener · 18/01/2019 20:58

Blimey - today the estate agent sent me a bottle of sparkling wine and some chocolates!!!!!

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SuperDiaperBaby · 19/01/2019 15:18

That is so lovely - nice to get a gift even if it is from an estate agent! I hope you take it as recognition of all the appreciation you deserve.

AJPTaylor · 19/01/2019 15:24

Sometimes when one big problem is sorted other stuff clicks into place.

SpoonBlender · 19/01/2019 16:37

What an amazing tale - I hadn't seen this thread and just read the whole thing in fascination. Excellent work by you and DSis, medals all round.

Congrats on finding a bunch of new lovely cousins etc too.

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