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Help me get over my irrational fear of sending my children to the local state schools.

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thedolly · 26/08/2009 11:25

ATM we live in a semi rural area and the DCs are at a Prep School. We are very happy with the school but the money to pay for it will run out eventually and I will end up working to pay for school fees.

Should we just stay put (in our very nice house) and brave the local state schools or move to a place where house prices are very expensive but the schools have a good reputation?

I have also posted this in AIBU as I feel I need a good kick up the backside.

Has anyone gone from private to state? I suspect it is a bigger adjustment for the parents than the children.

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IOnlyReadtheDailyMailinCafes · 27/08/2009 14:38

Hope you found out some useful facts and can arrange some visits.

myredcardigan · 27/08/2009 15:56

Just to clarify for Noddy, those are the maximum number of hours available. Very few people use 7-6. We don't use before school at all and only use school club 3 days a week.

Though I'm not sure how it's different from state school kids whose parents work. It's funny how it's ok to say the hours are 'outrageous' on a thread like this and nobody bats an eyelid yet if it was a thread about mums returning to work and someone said it was outrageous to leave a 1yr old in daycare for 10-12 hours a day, they'd be (rightly) flamed.

Dolly, hope you find a solution you're happy with.

IOnlyReadtheDailyMailinCafes · 27/08/2009 16:03

I didnt know that Noddy did single out private school parents. I think as state school parents we were wrong to leave our dd in chidcare before and after school and made changes to stop that happening. We were of course lucky to be able to do that.

TheBolter · 27/08/2009 16:45

Thedolly

I have just written a MASSIVE response but having read through it I have decided to condense it all. Phew!

As someone who was both privately and state-in-a-nice-village educated, who now works in the private sector yet has her dcs at state-in-another-nice-village, who has friends who are a complete mix of both private and state-educated, this is my overall conclusion:

It is family background, and / or the aspiration of the individual, that governs future success.

(In fact, if I had to say one way or another, it is my state friends who are actually the more successful overall. )

There, nothing more to add. That is 30 plus years of my educational experience summed up for you!

myredcardigan · 27/08/2009 16:49

Oh I wasn't saying that! I addressed it to Noddy because her 'outrageous' comment was in response to me detailing the wraparound care hours. I took it as relating to all parents who use such facilities not just fee paying parents.

My point was that such a comment is seen as acceptable on a thread about private education but would be seen as arrogant/lacking in empathy on a thread about returning to work and leaving your baby in daycare.

IOnlyReadtheDailyMailinCafes · 27/08/2009 17:06

I think the word outrageous is not very diplomatic, but surely we could agree that leaving children in wrap around care for over 12 hours is not ideal.

thedolly · 27/08/2009 17:15

TheBolter - thank you so much for that

You didn't have to condenses it on my account, I'm quite happy to pour over responses looking for gems of wisdom

I am thinking of asking 2 of the ladies that I know in the area out for a drink (separately) to have a chat about the schools that their DC are at.

Is this a good idea?

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MABS · 27/08/2009 17:16

Noddy is a good friend of mine, she forgives me for leaving my 2 kids at their very expensive indep school for as long as i can each day. i have to get my moneys worth after all don't i? ;-)

myredcardigan · 27/08/2009 17:17

I agree and personally I never have. In fact, none of my children have been in daycare before starting school. DS goes to afterschool club 3 afternoons a week. DD1 is at preschool and DD2 at home. DH works from home on the days I work.

My point was just that nobody ever says such a thing to mums returning to work when their babies are young. If such a view is ever mentioned on a return to work or nursery thread, the poster is jumped on.

MABS · 27/08/2009 17:21

true myredcardigan

Litchick · 27/08/2009 17:22

MRC - that is because it states in the MN rules that you can be as rude as you like about independently educated kids...spoonfed, thicko, chinless, rude, drugtaking, sex mad, arrogant, emotionally retarded the lot of them.
Their parents you can accuse of anything you like. Tis the law.

thedolly · 27/08/2009 17:22

The area that we are near is Bury St Edmunds.

If anyone has any specific advice or stories to tell, please do tell all.

I am planning to visit some schools over the next few weeks once term has started and the children have settled in.

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thedolly · 27/08/2009 17:24

Litchick

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IOnlyReadtheDailyMailinCafes · 27/08/2009 17:25

I don't agree with independant education but have never said anything of the sort about children who are educated in that way Litchick. Infact my own dd was almost independantly educated. I think you will find it cuts both ways, some posters are evry rude about state educated children. Daftpunk calls them mostly dross this whole thread is about the fact that the OP is worried about her children mixing with state educated children. There are a few people who are rude about indepenantly educated children, but I guess they are ust rude.

MABS · 27/08/2009 17:25

true litchick

justabout · 27/08/2009 18:26

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IOnlyReadtheDailyMailinCafes · 27/08/2009 18:34

I have many friends who have children in independant schools, they do not seem to be unhappy tbh. The drugs may be an issue, we live not far from Bryanston which is supposed to have a drugs problem. I would be interested to know how much worse their drugs problem is than at the state secondary in the same town.

PitysSake · 27/08/2009 18:35

lets face it htey could DIE in a state school

justabout · 27/08/2009 18:36

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Blu · 27/08/2009 18:36

snort

myredcardigan · 27/08/2009 18:37

Litchick

Mostly the stereotypes are bollocks. The vast majority of privately educated kids are polite and articulate. People associate all private education with an image of Old Etonians which is far removed from the reality. Apparently they are snobs who cannot relate to the wider world.

Likewise, most state educated kids are also good kids from decent families who want them to do well. The are also often polite and articulate. Like the 'Eton' image, many people also assume that state comps are full of rude thugs who throw chairs, shout and swear at their teachers, bully 'nice' kids and take drugs in the toilets.

It's all crap. Just make your choice based on the schools and resources available to you and the vast majority of kids from homes where the parents care will do fine.

Blu · 27/08/2009 18:37

oops, sorry, Justa - I am not snorting at you, I was snorting at Pitys comment!

TheBolter · 27/08/2009 18:39

Thedolly... OK deep breath, fortunately (or maybe unfortunately?!) I cut and pasted it all and it is still on my pasteboard.

If it's any use at all...

I was both privately and state educated. When I was state educated, I went to a school in a very nice semi rural area, an area where the schools today all carry good / outstanding Ofsted results. Again a three tier system, (which I personally think is excellent and very beneficial to pupils). I work in a private school, and my dcs are being state educated. My social circle is a pretty eclectic mix of private and state educated friends. I therefore feel that I am reasonably qualified to offer you my thoughts, and I hope they are of some help.

You will have to forgive me for any sweeping generalisations here BUT this is purely based on my OWN observations and I have found that:

Many many private school pupils (and ex-pupils) come across as amazingly confident. They basically tend to hold their own in conversation really well. They're very positive and seem to command an appearance of success, IYKWIM. State pupils seem to come across as less confident and less socially 'in your face'. (It could be argued that this is a good thing. ). However, I don't think this means an awful lot. There was a hugely positive vibe among my friends at state school, and we all had strong aspirations and wanted to do well. Especially at sixth form. In my lifetime I have met many many strong and interesting people who have come from state school, and despite our school being in a nice area there was a fair degree of diversification among pupils. I really didn't and still don't see this as a bad thing. Many private pupils seem to eventually emerge from a very cloistered world and I noticed at uni they would all stick together, (and tbh seemed repelled at the thought of mixing with kids from state school! .) even now I feel that there is a social divide and in particular one social group I know really sticks together in a bit of a 'them and us' way and rarely fully welcomes 'outsiders'!

Looking at it all now that we've all grown up (!) I have often thought there is NO WAY in which you could tell which 'section' is the more successful. The universities chosen by my social peers were the same ones whether my friends were private or state. In fact, now if I had to say one way or another which group has done better overall, now we're all in our thirties and forties, I would say it is my state educated friends. If we're looking at aspiration and success in a fiscal sense then I can honestly say that many many of my state ed friends are doing VERY well, thank you. I won't bore you with further details of their careers here but I'd happily list a few examples if you wish.

You could argue that nearly all my state-ed friends are MC and most of them had fairly affluent parents. But I believe my words hold weight because you are facing a similar situation with your dcs.

What this all boils down to, IMO, is that the aspirations of the individual are key here. Parental background is a massive influence too; Personality, aspiration, confidence etc are hugely affected by parental influences. As far as the school is concerned, well yes there is no denying that private schools seem to nurture a huge proportion of healthy happy and well rounded pupils, and I suppose the 'ideal' situation for many would be to feel that one's dcs are benefiting from the excellent standards of individual attention and pastoral care that many private schools offer. However, if private schooling is not possible, there is another way, and it isn't necessarily headed to failure. WHATSOEVER!

P.S. I'm sorry if I'm being bias towards state here; we all know that private schools usually produce excellent results and successful individuals. But it's clear from your OP that not everyone seems to realise that some, many, state schools have and continue to produce excellent results and highly succesfull, well rounded individuals too!

Rambling over, well done if you've got this far.

myredcardigan · 27/08/2009 18:40

And drugs are far more likely in boarding school than in independent day school where the kids all go home to stable family life at 4pm. The vast majority of independent schools are day schools.

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