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Whitehall “braced for private schools collapse” 5

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ICouldBeVioletSky · 18/04/2025 11:15

Starting a continuation thread in anticipation of the fourth one filling up…

www.mumsnet.com/talk/education/5301690-whitehall-braced-for-private-schools-collapse-4?page=39

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FairMindedMaiden · 15/05/2025 09:27

It’ll just rub salt in the wound if they rule against the children because of the NAO report technicality.

TrainGame · 15/05/2025 09:33

twistyizzy · 15/05/2025 07:22

No we are still waiting verdict on the NAO report 🙄

Well I guess soon we will find out if judges are for sale in this country. Or are able to be turned for some fancy favour. The case is as clear as day and if they rule against the children and find for the government it will say very bad things about the state of our ‘democracy’.

I just hope the British judiciary do their job and there are no calls from Keir Starmer’s office. He used to work in that world. it makes me worry what influence he still has.

CatkinToadflax · 15/05/2025 09:39

It’ll be really interesting to hear the judgement.

In the meantime, Labour still seems to have no plans whatsoever to improve state provision, including SEN. I would feel less frustrated by the whole thing if the VAT I’m paying was actually going to make a modicum of difference.

EasternStandard · 15/05/2025 09:41

TrainGame · 15/05/2025 09:33

Well I guess soon we will find out if judges are for sale in this country. Or are able to be turned for some fancy favour. The case is as clear as day and if they rule against the children and find for the government it will say very bad things about the state of our ‘democracy’.

I just hope the British judiciary do their job and there are no calls from Keir Starmer’s office. He used to work in that world. it makes me worry what influence he still has.

Yeh I get what you mean.

twistyizzy · 15/05/2025 09:48

TrainGame · 15/05/2025 09:33

Well I guess soon we will find out if judges are for sale in this country. Or are able to be turned for some fancy favour. The case is as clear as day and if they rule against the children and find for the government it will say very bad things about the state of our ‘democracy’.

I just hope the British judiciary do their job and there are no calls from Keir Starmer’s office. He used to work in that world. it makes me worry what influence he still has.

His influence is exactly what we are worried about!

Another76543 · 15/05/2025 10:09

FairMindedMaiden · 15/05/2025 09:27

It’ll just rub salt in the wound if they rule against the children because of the NAO report technicality.

It’s very strange how the government are relying on the same report when it suits their narrative, but apparently it’s “unfair” for parents to quote the report and they claim it cannot be used as part of the court case.

From the TES “Ms Phillipson said the NAO's report showed a system "neglected to the point of crisis".”

twistyizzy · 15/05/2025 10:19

Another76543 · 15/05/2025 10:09

It’s very strange how the government are relying on the same report when it suits their narrative, but apparently it’s “unfair” for parents to quote the report and they claim it cannot be used as part of the court case.

From the TES “Ms Phillipson said the NAO's report showed a system "neglected to the point of crisis".”

And that's the reason why! The strongest part of the case rests on SEN and the volume of kids who can't get the support they need in state (due to time taken to get EHCP/lack of facilities in local state options etc). That report clearly highlights the crisis in state SEN and the VAT is disproportionately forcing more kids with SEN back into state sector which can't meet their needs. That's why they wanted to supress the NAO report.

CatkinToadflax · 15/05/2025 10:44

Indeed. It’s a useful report to them when it can be used to criticise the Tories.

Araminta1003 · 15/05/2025 11:09

Personally I always thought of this whole thing the other way round. A policy thrown to the left of Labour to shut them up, knowing full well it is illegal and then doubling down to keep them Schtumm further. And that a loss may actually be welcome.

Araminta1003 · 15/05/2025 11:15

But the suppression of a report in the public domain is a whole other two tier and gag order issue with potential huge ramifications on free speech etc. So I really cannot see how a court would suppress something like that, in full. Unheard of.

EasternStandard · 15/05/2025 11:24

Araminta1003 · 15/05/2025 11:09

Personally I always thought of this whole thing the other way round. A policy thrown to the left of Labour to shut them up, knowing full well it is illegal and then doubling down to keep them Schtumm further. And that a loss may actually be welcome.

If you’re correct on this then great. I’m doubtful but I’d love to see it go.

FairMindedMaiden · 15/05/2025 13:38

Araminta1003 · 15/05/2025 11:09

Personally I always thought of this whole thing the other way round. A policy thrown to the left of Labour to shut them up, knowing full well it is illegal and then doubling down to keep them Schtumm further. And that a loss may actually be welcome.

I always believed it was never seriously intended to be rolled out and was just to appease the slightly more vicious & left wing Labour Party members until they won the election. I guess I was proved wrong

TrainGame · 15/05/2025 13:42

The vitriol coming out of Reeves’ mouth does not suggest they are hoping for a loss. She’s got a huge chip on her shoulder.

OhCrumbsWhereNow · 15/05/2025 15:02

[https://order-order.com/2025/05/15/average-private-school-fee-rise-226-higher-than-labour-predicted-after-new-tax/

For those who despise Guido... feel free to scroll on by

EasternStandard · 15/05/2025 15:15

TrainGame · 15/05/2025 13:42

The vitriol coming out of Reeves’ mouth does not suggest they are hoping for a loss. She’s got a huge chip on her shoulder.

I think they need it especially since the differences politically on everything else is pretty much going.

Doing it for that reason is so bad.

EHCPerhaps · 16/05/2025 09:56

FairMindedMaiden · 15/05/2025 13:38

I always believed it was never seriously intended to be rolled out and was just to appease the slightly more vicious & left wing Labour Party members until they won the election. I guess I was proved wrong

Edited

I thought the same thing unfortunately. Such an obviously stupid and damaging idea, surely they wouldn’t go ahead with it. Obviously it will hurt children and families who have rights too, and shut down schools that local communities rely on.

I thought that it would be OK because of the zillions of other manifesto ‘commitments’ that actually go nowhere for ages. I thought of the manifesto commitments that are only put in to the manifesto as a sop and then only dragged out of the government as actions, after years and years of campaigning because they’re patently such a terrible idea in practice.

Like having an EU referendum was only put in the Tory Manifesto to calm down the ‘save the pound’ hotheads before it finally was actioned by Cameron reluctantly and self servingly to try to calm down the internal party strife that he couldn’t handle effectively. So that springs to mind as a catastrophic failure of political leadership. A better Tory PM would have managed that anti-EU issue internally and taken it out of the manifesto for public safety.

A better Labour PM than Starmer would equally have kicked this VAT idea and the other perfect storm of taxes that are creating an economic cliff edge for private schools, out into the very very faraway political long grass where it deserves to quietly fade out. He could have focused on improving state school funding to raise standards consistently across schools and also supported children with SEND adequately in state schools. It’s so depressing.

FairMindedMaiden · 16/05/2025 12:30

EasternStandard · 15/05/2025 15:15

I think they need it especially since the differences politically on everything else is pretty much going.

Doing it for that reason is so bad.

It’s a personal issue for Reeves going by her shoehorning it into every interview and a completely irrational one at that. I suspect her parents planned on private school and something went wrong, they then educated their spite into the children. Hateful attitudes often start with the parents.
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/15564886.2023.2189191

OhCrumbsWhereNow · 16/05/2025 14:49

Friend sent me a video on BP the other day. Apparently the comments get deleted very fast, but they picked up that there might be some issue around BP's bio father.

They were suggesting that it might be that she has half siblings who were privately educated and she was not... but got into a selective Catholic secondary after her mother converted.

I have seen some of the deleted comments via screenshot and it does suggest that it might be very deep down and personal that BP has an issue with private schools.

This was the video (I haven't watched it yet)

EasternStandard · 16/05/2025 16:18

FairMindedMaiden · 16/05/2025 12:30

It’s a personal issue for Reeves going by her shoehorning it into every interview and a completely irrational one at that. I suspect her parents planned on private school and something went wrong, they then educated their spite into the children. Hateful attitudes often start with the parents.
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/15564886.2023.2189191

Edited

Yes you see that spite on here so I’m not surprised.

FairMindedMaiden · 17/05/2025 13:45

It’s always the same story; envy, bitterness and spite. There’s no excuse for attacking children, even if they are just 7% and wear a boater. One way or another, this will be rolled back and made right as can be. I really hope the people behind this will be held accountable in the future.

OhCrumbsWhereNow · 17/05/2025 17:28

https://schoolsweek.co.uk/ehcp-shake-up-considered-as-part-of-send-reforms-adviser-confirms/]]" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://schoolsweek.co.uk/ehcp-shake-up-considered-as-part-of-send-reforms-adviser-confirms/]]]]

Wow - EHCPs only to apply to special schools.

I cannot begin to imagine the carnage this is going to cause.

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CurlewKate · 17/05/2025 18:22

I’m conscious that I have been very active on here in the past, but no more. I have not, I must emphasise, changed my mind on the issue. But there is a limit to the number of times I’m prepared to be called envious, bitter and spiteful. Off to threads where posters attack the ball, not the man.

OhCrumbsWhereNow · 17/05/2025 18:34

ICouldBeVioletSky · 17/05/2025 18:11

And that is only 'until January'...

I suspect the numbers next year will be even worse:

  • moving post Y11 to state 6th form
  • not starting in reception
  • not starting in secondary
  • those forced to move at non-typical times

Such a stupid move.

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